Bodybuilders from the east...what they are doing differently?

[buselmo]

Has been my understanding that many in mid-eastern countries begin things such as gear at earlier ages. This would correlate with average life expectancy as well as culture. Similarities in this also arise in eastern European countries.

Would be my estimate that it would not be uncommon to find someone there getting on gear pretty much when they decide to start working out - an all-or-none thing. That is, if they are affluent and can afford the stuff. Usually, if they can get in a very decent gym, then they are affluent and/or know the 'right' people.

Also, getting involved with gear in different areas of the world is not as big of a deal as in USA and similar d/t lack of stigma, education and differing life values. With lack of education - if the big guy in the gym is telling you to get on something, you do it.

you are absolutely correct!
they start at a very early age (1), and they juice up from their first week in the gym (2)
most of the "bodybuilding buddies" i have have started juicing between 13-17 and are now well into their 30's.
sometimes the big boys/dealers find a guy with potential at a young age and 'train' him (read "give him gear for free") with the condition of telling everyone that he is being 'trained' by that individual. this = more sales. and that's how most young people can afford the gear, especially these days when it's getting really expensive.
hell, there's a guy (forgot his name) who competed at the 75 kg division in the IFBB worlds from saudi arabia... he had only been training for 4 years (started at 17)... how'd he get into training and get there? he was in a neighborhood soccer match... his team won so he took his shirt off and ran around... a very big dealer here was in the audience and he went to him and asked "do you train? cuz you're as ripped as hell!" (the dude weighed around 120 lbs but at around 4% fat... saw his pics... looked like a heroin addict but lean as fuck) guy said no he never trained... so the dealer told him he has a gym, and he'd provide everything for him as long as he listened to him and competed... so he said yes... 4 years later, he's 165 lbs competing in the IFBB world with full muscle bellies and a tiny ass waist.

actually his name just popped in my head... and he isn't 75 kg, but 70 kg (154 lbs)...
as you can see from the video and if you see other videos and dates, the dude stayed at the same weight and isn't going up... why? cuz he dominates that weight in this country when he competes, and he won the arabian championship at that weight... PLUS... these guys really don't know how


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[Angelsnow]

Here in greece people are very uneducated. Until recently they didnt know about tren masteron peptides etc. They are using huge amouts of test and deca because you can buy human grade and it is cheap, they are cutting with deca. In contest they add huge amounts of proviron and winstrol and thats it. Only few know about slin and how to take it. Hgh is used at around 2-5 ius mostly for fat burning. Dealers sell test enan for test prop at much higher price(!) and people buy it beacause they are uneducated. If someone big says to take it they will all follow.

 

[fitnessjess]

Really?? I think Phil is a great bodybuilder, but he shouldn't be in the top 10. he has no shoulders and his muscles just look blown up. He doesn't seem to have the hard dense muscle of some other guys like dorian, ronnie, branch, ronnie rokel, dexter etc. I favor the eastern bodybuilder look.

no shoulders? really? are you on hallucigenics when you look at pictures of him?

 

[betito]

Buselmo=epic fucking posts

 

[chris250]

you are absolutely correct!
they start at a very early age (1), and they juice up from their first week in the gym (2)
most of the "bodybuilding buddies" i have have started juicing between 13-17 and are now well into their 30's.
sometimes the big boys/dealers find a guy with potential at a young age and 'train' him (read "give him gear for free") with the condition of telling everyone that he is being 'trained' by that individual. this = more sales. and that's how most young people can afford the gear, especially these days when it's getting really expensive.
hell, there's a guy (forgot his name) who competed at the 75 kg division in the IFBB worlds from saudi arabia... he had only been training for 4 years (started at 17)... how'd he get into training and get there? he was in a neighborhood soccer match... his team won so he took his shirt off and ran around... a very big dealer here was in the audience and he went to him and asked "do you train? cuz you're as ripped as hell!" (the dude weighed around 120 lbs but at around 4% fat... saw his pics... looked like a heroin addict but lean as fuck) guy said no he never trained... so the dealer told him he has a gym, and he'd provide everything for him as long as he listened to him and competed... so he said yes... 4 years later, he's 165 lbs competing in the IFBB world with full muscle bellies and a tiny ass waist.

actually his name just popped in my head... and he isn't 75 kg, but 70 kg (154 lbs)...
as you can see from the video and if you see other videos and dates, the dude stayed at the same weight and isn't going up... why? cuz he dominates that weight in this country when he competes, and he won the arabian championship at that weight... PLUS... these guys really don't know how


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that kid got genetics that are pro ...Man, what shape and conditioning. He could be top 3 in any show here in the US...

 

[aqrojase]

no shoulders? really? are you on hallucigenics when you look at pictures of him?

If you follow bodybuilding like I have you would know what i meant by no shoulders. He doesnt have big clavicles, and he lacks the broadness. Now when you say he has shoulders you are referring to the fact he has round delts? Round Delts are not everything, you have to have broad wide shoulders with popping delts.

examples of broad shoulders ( Dennis wolf, Cedric, Marku Rhul, Dorian, Ronnie..the list can go on)

Classic Mr Olympia look requires this broad shoulder look.

 

[aqrojase]

if you stood any of those guys up in a lineup at a top pro show they wouldnt even see the top 15 and everyone on here would have nothing great to say about them except "hes small but needs more size". show them by themselves or standing next to each other and yeah they look great. its a lot easier to get completely peeled when youre not so worried about how big you have to be but when the top guy in the sport is getting on stage and winning at 270 plus lbs then everyone chasing him has to be big and conditioned so yeah youre not going to look quite as hard. but like b boy said stand any of them up next to phil and see how much better they look.

The only difference is the guys in the United States use a lot more drugs. Guys in the U.S have much more money and use a lot more gh, insulin and quality gear. You also gotta remember the food the guys in the United States eat are also repsonible for the size.

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Now bring the guy in the above video to the states, give him the same amount of food that phil eats, and the same amount of gear ( also major insulin and gh use). You will see this guy do some major damage. Most those guys in middle east can't afford major amounts of GH. Most guys in the United states have gurus that tell them how to use the drugs properly and grow properly. Most bodybuilders in the U.S are expert users of synthol and insulin. So you can't say that U.S bodybuilders are superior. The truth is bodybuilders in the U.S are a little spoiled.

 

[b-boy]

The only difference is the guys in the United States use a lot more drugs. Guys in the U.S have much more money and use a lot more gh, insulin and quality gear. You also gotta remember the food the guys in the United States eat are also repsonible for the size.

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Now bring the guy in the above video to the states, give him the same amount of food that phil eats, and the same amount of gear ( also major insulin and gh use). You will see this guy do some major damage. Most those guys in middle east can't afford major amounts of GH. Most guys in the United states have gurus that tell them how to use the drugs properly and grow properly. Most bodybuilders in the U.S are expert users of synthol and insulin. So you can't say that U.S bodybuilders are superior. The truth is bodybuilders in the U.S are a little spoiled.

how do you know who uses more drugs? how do you know everyones financial status?

people who truly want to be champions will make the necessary sacrafices to achieve their dreams. kai green lived in a piss smelling project building and had no car so he could put more money into his dream and it has more than paid off. they can do the fucking same if they choose, its all about how bad you want it. ME.... ha ha ha i like my comforts, fuck bodybuilding! LMAO

also the genetic pool over here is much much much deeper

 

[aqrojase]

how do you know who uses more drugs? how do you know everyones financial status?

people who truly want to be champions will make the necessary sacrafices to achieve their dreams. kai green lived in a piss smelling project building and had no car so he could put more money into his dream and it has more than paid off. they can do the fucking same if they choose, its all about how bad you want it. ME.... ha ha ha i like my comforts, fuck bodybuilding! LMAO

also the genetic pool over here is much much much deeper, thanks to zillions of immigrants coming to America and slavery making genetically better african-americans through selective breeding.... TRUTH!

Kia Greene is a great bodybuilder, and yes he has made a lot more sacrifise. I also think Kai Greene's body has developed a lot more since he started to get contracts. Plus he had oscar there telling him what to use and how to use. Now I also assume that Oscar has great connections to quality gear and gh at reasonalble prices. Kai Greene also is one with great genetics just like Ronnie Coleman, so he is a rare breed in bodybuilding.

Life is much easier in the U.S. I have lived 17 years of my life in another country, and once I moved to the United States life just became 100 times easier. Heck I can go to the gorcery store and buy 4 bags of talapia at a reasonable price, which is considered cheap bodybuilding food for us here. In other countries that would be considered a delicasy. So when I say life is easier..thats what i mean. If we want to succeed in the United States its much easier for us to do so.

 

[muscleguys]

Food in europe is a whole different deal than we have here. Having traveled there, Tough if not impossible to find eggs for breakfast in many countries. They eat pastries in the AM for the most part, and a lot of bread/pasta throughout the day. A steak or cattle products are expensive and poor quality if you can find them at all. We take for granted here, having vast fields for raising/grazing cattle and growing food. Lamb/mutton is popular there because they graze on hillside and need less space. All the basics there are 3 times as costly, gas, food everything. Many of the countries are socialist and they pay 50% in income taxes, so they have less to work with income wise already.

No idea the drug supplementation side of things. But everything in europe is smaller. Cars, roads, hotelrooms, hallways elevators all very small compared to our standards. Bodybuilders here, wouldn't be able to walk straight thru many of the stairways/hallways and certainly wouldn't fit in many of the elevators in the older parts of europe, lol. Some of the elevators there are the size of a small closet here, no kidding. So small, I wasn't confortable getting into them, and I'm in no way closterphobic, or a very big guy, just a spoiled american, lol. And a guy Phils size would probably go broke trying to eat healthy whole food there.

From a logistic/economic standpoint it makes sense that they are smaller.

 

[aqrojase]

I couldnt find the documentry, but here's a clip of what others experience.

YouTube - Afghan Muscles trailer

 

[big_guns]

reminds me of a guy who got a box that said "boldenone 50" and some amps inside. he sent me pics of it and was going crazy saying "is this GH? can you plz see what this is!" ... the guy is a very high level competitor...
i send a huge question mark to him and said "it's boldenone"... and he asked "what's that?"... i sent "EQ"... he said "what are you talking about?" and then i said "horse steroids"... he said "aaaaahhhhh.... ok... damn it, i thought it was GH and got excited"

yup... these guys have the secret... LOL!

hahahahahahhahahahha lmao i love this one

 

[NPCS FINEST]

you are absolutely correct!
they start at a very early age (1), and they juice up from their first week in the gym (2)
most of the "bodybuilding buddies" i have have started juicing between 13-17 and are now well into their 30's.
sometimes the big boys/dealers find a guy with potential at a young age and 'train' him (read "give him gear for free") with the condition of telling everyone that he is being 'trained' by that individual. this = more sales. and that's how most young people can afford the gear, especially these days when it's getting really expensive.
hell, there's a guy (forgot his name) who competed at the 75 kg division in the IFBB worlds from saudi arabia... he had only been training for 4 years (started at 17)... how'd he get into training and get there? he was in a neighborhood soccer match... his team won so he took his shirt off and ran around... a very big dealer here was in the audience and he went to him and asked "do you train? cuz you're as ripped as hell!" (the dude weighed around 120 lbs but at around 4% fat... saw his pics... looked like a heroin addict but lean as fuck) guy said no he never trained... so the dealer told him he has a gym, and he'd provide everything for him as long as he listened to him and competed... so he said yes... 4 years later, he's 165 lbs competing in the IFBB world with full muscle bellies and a tiny ass waist.

actually his name just popped in my head... and he isn't 75 kg, but 70 kg (154 lbs)...
as you can see from the video and if you see other videos and dates, the dude stayed at the same weight and isn't going up... why? cuz he dominates that weight in this country when he competes, and he won the arabian championship at that weight... PLUS... these guys really don't know how


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He would have a good chance to dominate that class over here as well!

 

[MR. BMJ]

No disrespect, I see amateurs here in the states who are very well conditioned, and to be honost, I don't think comparing Middle Eastern BB's to the larger but less conditioned BB's is reflective of some of the amateurs and national ranked guys who are shredded at the same sizes.

Not saying that ME guys don't look good, not at all.

I see guys like Alex Azarian and many others, and it really doesn't match the claims.

That being said, buselmo is one of my favorite posters here at PM:headbang:


BMJ

 

[osiris]

how do you know who uses more drugs? how do you know everyones financial status?

people who truly want to be champions will make the necessary sacrafices to achieve their dreams. kai green lived in a piss smelling project building and had no car so he could put more money into his dream and it has more than paid off. they can do the fucking same if they choose, its all about how bad you want it. ME.... ha ha ha i like my comforts, fuck bodybuilding! LMAO

also the genetic pool over here is much much much deeper

BBoy, i agree with you 110% man. You are at a completely different level than me and i could NEVER even get close to your level BUT if i devoted everything to it, i am sure i could get further along than what i am.

You have mentioned it before, you put your family first and you keep this as secondary. I admire you for that and in my opinion that makes you an awesome dad, a great person AND damn good bodybuilder!

I like buying my kid the new ps3 game, i like getting pedicures(go ahead call me gay, if you don't get em, you dont know what the fuck you are missing), i like going out to eat when i am not watching food intake. I like being able to go to the movies.

I sorta jumped the shark didn't i? oh well i guess