Bored......70's cycles vs. ours today

[massmaker56]

Just bored at work................Wondering how did the cycles from the 70's and Arnolds time compare to todays cycles. Not of the big boys like Ronnie, Jay etc. But like ours.

What kind of chemicals where they using? At what mg's? Do you think they used a test base with a PCT to follow?

I'm sure this has been covered before, but i couldn't find anything. Just BORED!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TRAPMANJOE]

ive read that arnold and all the bodybuilders relied heavily on d-bol and primobolan. arnold used primo, and dbol during comps. in the off season he ran deca, and d bol from what ive heard. they didnt have anti estrogens or pct back then they just tapered off. also their doses were small compared to today with injectables but i heard they were eating dbol like skittles.

 

[BrooklynBB]

ive read that arnold and all the bodybuilders relied heavily on d-bol and primobolan. arnold used primo, and dbol during comps. in the off season he ran deca, and d bol from what ive heard. they didnt have anti estrogens or pct back then they just tapered off. also their doses were small compared to today with injectables but i heard they were eating dbol like skittles.

This is the internet interpretation of what the 70's guys did, and isn't really based in reality. One look at Arnold in his "off season" showed a man who was pretty damned flabby, and look like he lifted a weight maybe 10 years prior.

But, he was a genetic freak, and whatever he took was readily absorbed. Whether that was dbol, primo, or GH from cadavers, he grew like a week, and so did all of the top guys during his era.

I would love to FINALLY hear a 70's bodybuilder who was a top level pro at the time or at least in high contention - like Mike Katz, Ken Waller or any of the guys from the film Pumping Iron - come out and finally tell the truth about what they did. Until they do that, I don't trust the authorities on the internet who claim to know Arnold's cycle (which has since been posted and allegedly confirmed). I want to know what Waller, Katz, Ferrigno and Columbu took. Arnold's cycle will never be known unless Columbu decides to rat his ass out, which I seriously doubt will ever happen.

 

[dragonfire101]

They took alot of orals back then. Most of the common 17-aa were available,winny,var,dbol and drol and test.

Dont know about dosages,in 70s, but antiestrogens were really not avialable until the 80's.

I know some old timers from the late 80s who said common dosage was
400mg deca, 400mg test and would not dare do more than add maybe a little dbol.

 

[dragonfire101]

This is the internet interpretation of what the 70's guys did, and isn't really based in reality. One look at Arnold in his "off season" showed a man who was pretty damned flabby, and look like he lifted a weight maybe 10 years prior.

But, he was a genetic freak, and whatever he took was readily absorbed. Whether that was dbol, primo, or GH from cadavers, he grew like a week, and so did all of the top guys during his era.

I would love to FINALLY hear a 70's bodybuilder who was a top level pro at the time or at least in high contention - like Mike Katz, Ken Waller or any of the guys from the film Pumping Iron - come out and finally tell the truth about what they did. Until they do that, I don't trust the authorities on the internet who claim to know Arnold's cycle (which has since been posted and allegedly confirmed). I want to know what Waller, Katz, Ferrigno and Columbu took. Arnold's cycle will never be known unless Columbu decides to rat his ass out, which I seriously doubt will ever happen.

I read an article years ago and Sergio Oliva reported he had a cookie jar filled with differnt orals and would just take a handful ED.

 

[GoneForever]

Weird that orals were so popular back then and in such large amounts and there really hasnt been many cases of liver problems.

 

[buselmo]

A lot of people in my country rely on the latest information they have... which is probably from way back in 1970 .... seriously, there are a couple of 50 year olds that were world champions back in the day and they told me what they ate, how they trained, and what they used to cycle... and they got all that info from other champs around the world back in the day...

most common cycle (8 weeks)
-as much deca you can inject without your ass turning into a baseball... usually anywhere between 400-1200 mg depending on how big your ass is i guess (i'm serious, the guy told me 4-12 ml of deca depending on how they felt)

- dianabol... never new the dosage because they just said pour it in your hand and swallow before training.

they thought test was the devil...

training was 7 days a week, very very very high volume doing every exercise known to man.

diet was lots of beef... they hated carbs, but they didn't know what the fuck carbs were... the guy just told me "we never ate carbs".... but then he tells me "rice and potatoes helped before training"... so basically, they didn't know what the hell they were doing... and the only people who ever made to contests in decent shape were the genetically gifted.

that's all i know about "back in the day"... they have a lot of weird ideas about the new stuff too... like GH, slin, IGF, tren, masteron... they say some retarded shit about those things... like slin burns fat, GH makes you hold on to your weight so you don't use it in contest prep, IGF is the best fat burner, masteron doubles your strength.... shit like that

 

[KillerStack]

Do you think they used a test base with a PCT to follow?

"PCT" is a pretty recent phenomenon.

Test wasn't popular at all like Buselmo said.

 

[VallhallaOrBust]

Seems like one thing hasn't changed -- heavy use of orals. Still the case today for alot of pros if I can believe what I have heard.

 

[Moen]

My gym owner and a buddy's gym owner (I'm from Belgium, he's from Holland) are competitors from that era and one thing they both have in common is a downright hate towards testosterone.

The dutch guy even called it a 'career-ender' (ofcourse in dutch lol)

What they did use were the things mentioned before, deca dbol primo, no dosages mentioned, probably because they didnt know what was considered high or low dose and just did something

 

[Hiramabiff]

Sergio Olivia:


BDJ: Could you relay your own experience with drug use?


SO: This is an area of great interest for people. I don't care who wants to take steroids, because that's a personal choice... that's his life. Now, today, everybody has access to them. I even saw in one of the big magazines that Arnold denies having used them, but Arnold was one of the first to bring steroids over to America. And everybody in the old days used them: Zane, Columbu, myself, Arnold, Larry Scott, Harold Poole, Dave Draper, and even Steve Reeves. There's no way to deny it. It wasn't much, nothing like today. But the development of drugs is much different. I used decca and dianabol, and that was something really big at the time; and decca was not considered that bad. It was even prescribed by doctors to help make your bones strong. Today you have guys weighing 200 pounds, and six months later they weigh 250-300 pounds! So you know these guys are taking something unbelievable. When they say they haven't taken any thing, you know that it's phony.


BDJ: I could only imagine what you would look like if you have access to the drugs of today.


SO: Geez... I wouldn't even want to think about it. My God... (laughter). We used to talk about the big deal of taking decca and dianabol. Now the talk is about growth hormone. I see what they are using... the way they look... I tell you, it's scary... I would pass on that. Anybody can go work out and get a physique without steroids, and that is what I recommend. The drugs today is not worth the money or the way it makes you look. The consequences later are going to be big.


BDJ: I notice a lot of people take steroids because they are too lazy to train hard * mostly teenage boys.


SO: Yes that's what it is. But they're making a double mistake. When you take steroids you have to train even harder... otherwise the excess weight later turns into fat. If you train hard, eat well with quality protein, and take a good vitamin and mineral, then you can achieve a good physique. And a good physique comes from about 45% of your genes, whereas the rest is from training. So, if you're going to be something, then you're going to be something. If you're not, then you're not. But with all those steroids, you're going to be one of the group... you're not going to be different. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone... to my friends or any of my family.

 

[massmaker56]

Sometimes it just seems crazy to me. These guys had amazing physiques and really had no clue what they were doing as far asthe chemicals they were putting into there bodies. I knolw guys that plan out these elaborate cycles and coun t all their macros to perfection and not look half as good as sergio, arnold, franco or even mike katz. It just blows my mind. And then to think that 30-40 years later to have no serious sides. Craziness!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Frank-Oh]

Sometimes it just seems crazy to me. These guys had amazing physiques and really had no clue what they were doing as far asthe chemicals they were putting into there bodies. I knolw guys that plan out these elaborate cycles and coun t all their macros to perfection and not look half as good as sergio, arnold, franco or even mike katz. It just blows my mind. And then to think that 30-40 years later to have no serious sides. Craziness!!!!!!!!!!!

Kinda makes you wonder how much we really know.. Not really surprised though..

 

[ironone1]

Well I heard it was mostly MuscleTech creatine and protein.

 

[alecaf]

Well I heard it was mostly MuscleTech creatine and protein.

aswell as No2

 

[alecaf]

My gym owner and a buddy's gym owner (I'm from Belgium, he's from Holland) are competitors from that era and one thing they both have in common is a downright hate towards testosterone.

The dutch guy even called it a 'career-ender' (ofcourse in dutch lol)

What they did use were the things mentioned before, deca dbol primo, no dosages mentioned, probably because they didnt know what was considered high or low dose and just did something

Did he say why he hates test so much? what is the reasoning behind this?

 

[gfactor]

Arnold Schwarzenegger steroids cycle:
Weeks Primobolan Enanthate (Injectable) Dianabol (Dbol)
(oral) Deca Durabolin
(Injectable)
Week 1 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 2 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 3 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 4 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 5 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 6 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 7 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 8 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 9 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 10 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 11 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 12 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 13 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 14 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 15 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 16 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 17 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 18 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 19 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 20 600mg / week 60mg / day

Week 21 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 22 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 23 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 24 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 25 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 26 30mg / day 200mg / week
START CYCLE (1-20) AGAIN

 

[SpanishBULL]

Sergio Olivia:


BDJ: Could you relay your own experience with drug use?


SO: This is an area of great interest for people. I don't care who wants to take steroids, because that's a personal choice... that's his life. Now, today, everybody has access to them. I even saw in one of the big magazines that Arnold denies having used them, but Arnold was one of the first to bring steroids over to America. And everybody in the old days used them: Zane, Columbu, myself, Arnold, Larry Scott, Harold Poole, Dave Draper, and even Steve Reeves. There's no way to deny it. It wasn't much, nothing like today. But the development of drugs is much different. I used decca and dianabol, and that was something really big at the time; and decca was not considered that bad. It was even prescribed by doctors to help make your bones strong. Today you have guys weighing 200 pounds, and six months later they weigh 250-300 pounds! So you know these guys are taking something unbelievable. When they say they haven't taken any thing, you know that it's phony.


BDJ: I could only imagine what you would look like if you have access to the drugs of today.


SO: Geez... I wouldn't even want to think about it. My God... (laughter). We used to talk about the big deal of taking decca and dianabol. Now the talk is about growth hormone. I see what they are using... the way they look... I tell you, it's scary... I would pass on that. Anybody can go work out and get a physique without steroids, and that is what I recommend. The drugs today is not worth the money or the way it makes you look. The consequences later are going to be big.


BDJ: I notice a lot of people take steroids because they are too lazy to train hard * mostly teenage boys.


SO: Yes that's what it is. But they're making a double mistake. When you take steroids you have to train even harder... otherwise the excess weight later turns into fat. If you train hard, eat well with quality protein, and take a good vitamin and mineral, then you can achieve a good physique. And a good physique comes from about 45% of your genes, whereas the rest is from training. So, if you're going to be something, then you're going to be something. If you're not, then you're not. But with all those steroids, you're going to be one of the group... you're not going to be different. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone... to my friends or any of my family.

Mmmm, its funny what sergio says there... considering some time ago one of his training partners (and thats REAL and confirmed) explained openly how back in the early eighties they used to take a lot of cypionate and other stuff... (I found it in IRONAGE.com board if I remember correctly).

Im not saying Sergio is a liar but its pretty bored to hear all the time from the mouth of the old timers how great they were, how small quantities they used and how lazy are today bodybuilders ...

 

[massmaker56]

Arnold Schwarzenegger steroids cycle:
Weeks Primobolan Enanthate (Injectable) Dianabol (Dbol)
(oral) Deca Durabolin
(Injectable)
Week 1 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 2 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 3 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 4 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 5 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 6 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 7 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 8 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 9 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 10 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 11 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 12 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 13 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 14 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 15 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 16 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 17 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 18 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 19 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 20 600mg / week 60mg / day

Week 21 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 22 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 23 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 24 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 25 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 26 30mg / day 200mg / week
START CYCLE (1-20) AGAIN

Wow if this is true thats a pretty wild cycle

 

[dragonfire101]

Deca wasn't availabl in the 70's. Wasn't developed until around 1982. Unless early 80s was when US started manufacturing it.

I even saw in one of the big magazines that Arnold denies having used them, but Arnold was one of the first to bring steroids over to America.

He has admitted to use plenty of times to the public, but that it was legal when he took them,but now its not legal and that if he knew of the health risk back then that he knows now he would never had taken them. That is what I have seen him stating. Arnie didn't bring them over to teh US. US actually invented Dbol for its Olypmic atheletes to compete with the Eastern Block.