Well I've gotten a lot of input that I wanted and reminded of a couple things I forgot about. If I had tren as you suggested I'd run it. Originally I was asking thoughts on a proposed cycle so yes I had my mind made up but wanted input. I don't see an issue with that.... But like I said I did get way more out if this thread from additional thoughts and suggestions. I'll be ordering prami and tren in 1 1/2 weeks.