Cycle Critique: Var or T-bol

[Sesshomaru]

Guys Im coming off a cycle of:

Wk 1-10: test cyp: 250mg/wk
Wk 3-10: tren-e: 250mg/wk

Simple as that being that it was my first cycle. Now after some pct and some time off, I was considering the following cycle for this 2nd round:

Wks 1-14: Test prop: 100mg twice a wk
Wks 1-14: EQ: 300mg/wk
Wks 5-9: Var 20mg/day OR T-bol 20mg/day


My question is whether I should go with the t-bol or var and whether the dosages are good enough. I know the dosages are lower than most take here, but Im more concerned with long term and sustainable strength gains since Im a strength athlete. Im hoping to harden up more on this cycle and maybe add 10lbs or so since Im in a weight class. the weight gain will be mainly a function of diet, but Im looking for minimal bloat and quality lean mass here.

I would just say fuck it and take d-bol, but I think I would gain too much weight.

Btw, I loved tren and got some sweet results from it, but Im branching out to see what other things work as Im not yet confident in running tren cycles back to back with PCT interspersed between cycles.

 

[chadahoochie02]

more var and test..

 

[swervedriver]

Dude, I would personally go with 100mg of prop EOD, at least 600mg eq or you are waisting it I think, and 40mg of var a day... That is a damn good strength cycle with minimal bloat... Just stay away from too much sodium...

 

[Sesshomaru]

Has anyone had any experience with t-bol?

What about using low dose d-bol like 10mg ED in place of the var?

 

[swervedriver]

T-bol is ok... I have used it a couple of times... I would stick with the var myself... As far as the d-bol, 10mg a day won't really do a whole lot so I wouldn't use it unless you are gonna hit at least 30mg a day... In which case you will see a bit of bloating... So I say stick with the prop, eq, var cycle... Unless, you wanna substitute winny for the eq...

 

[Sesshomaru]

T-bol is ok... I have used it a couple of times... I would stick with the var myself...

Why?

As far as the d-bol, 10mg a day won't really do a whole lot so I wouldn't use it unless you are gonna hit at least 30mg a day...

But wouldnt 10mg of d-bol probably more effective than 20mg of var because its a stronger product?

In which case you will see a bit of bloating... So I say stick with the prop, eq, var cycle... Unless, you wanna substitute winny for the eq...

Yeah Ill leave the winny for later on down the road.

 

[Fullybuilt]

Im gonna use tbol for my next cycle , but I heard its worthless at 20mg. Usually a low dose is 40mg and many use 80mg. I'll be using 80. I hear that tbol will add more size but not as much quality as anavar. I also hear your strenght goes through the roof with incredible pumps. I guess its kinda like dbol minus the bloat and other nasty sides. Now var at 20mg is pretty low as well. My g/f takes 10mg and thats weak to her. An average var cycle is usually 40-60mg. Others run 80-100mg. For var results you get great strenght,good pumps and quality gains. Not tons of size but better gains. Its also much much more expensive than tbol. So i'd either use 40mg tbol at the minimum or 40mg var at the minimum. BTW 100mg prop 2x per week is too low. You need prop EOD or at least 3x per week due to its short half life. You'd be better of running a longer test ester like enanthate or cypionate or prop at 50mg EOD if you wanna stick with a super low test cycle or 150mg eod for an average test cycle.

 

[swervedriver]

Why?

But wouldnt 10mg of d-bol probably more effective than 20mg of var because its a stronger product?


Yeah Ill leave the winny for later on down the road.

Question #1: I just think Var gives better quality gains without the bloat...



Question #2: To be absolutely honest with you, 10mg of d-bol or 20mg of Var are not gonna do a whole lot anyway... That is why I said you need to hit at least 40mg of Var or 30-40mg of dbol a day... But you don't want bloat so I said go with the Var... The Eq is also gonna help with the strength as well... But again you will need to up the dosage... Fullybuilt is right, you need to up the prop or take a longer acting test... 100mg EOD of prop is not that much and will do what you are wanting if you add the above... Hope I answered your questions bro!

 

[BigBoyJ]

My last cycle was 250 mg of test, 300 mg eq and 10 mg dbol/day. I made some very good progress with that cycle and this is after years of juicing. I think your doses are fine. Higher doses aren't necessary.

 

[KillerStack]

But wouldnt 10mg of d-bol probably more effective than 20mg of var because its a stronger product?

IME 10mg of D-bol is stronger and more effective than even 100mg of Var. D-bol is effective even at very low dosages.

 

[BrooklynBB]

Tour-ass-is-bola

My last cycle was 250 mg of test, 300 mg eq and 10 mg dbol/day. I made some very good progress with that cycle and this is after years of juicing. I think your doses are fine. Higher doses aren't necessary.

Agreed. Not much is needed, especially if you balance it the way that BBJ has spelled it out. You're getting the quick benefit of Dbol, the joint support with EQ, and the androgenic component mostly from the test and some from the dbol as well. If you don't grow off of this, take up group masturbation-water-ballet.

Sesshomaru: I agree that 10mg dbol will yeild better results than 20mg Var. I think the reason var was suggested is because you wont gain as much weight (you said you wanted to keep it down) and you'll still get strong as an ox (or maybe a boar or horsey).

I say go for the var if you want to keep weight down and strength up.

 

[Sesshomaru]

BBB or anyone else, I assume the strength gains on 10mg of d-bol would be better than 20mg of var correct?

Secondly, diet will determine how much weight I gain; given that, would var still be preferred over d-bol or will I just gain a lot of weight with d-bol no matter what? Thirdly, do you (or anyone that hasnt already said so) have any experiences with t-bol?

Good discussion guys, i appreciate everyones opinion.