Cycle length and cycle gap question

[gaijininjapan28]

I have a few simple beginner cycles under my belt, but my last one was about two years ago. They’ve all been mostly test based with only mild orals as kickers or finishers. I have a desire to gain a bit more mass this winter and decided to try a clean bulk as follows:

Wk 1-12 test-e/npp at 400/200/wk, pinned e3.5d
Wk 3-12 25mg eod
Wk 1-12 hcg 250iu day before each oil pin
Rest 2 wks
Pct 4wks w/ aromasin + nolva

I’ll have plenty of aromasin, caber, and nolva on hand just in case. Also got p5p supplement in addition to my normal course of multivitamins and ryr.

The question is whether I should extend my base cycle length, or is 12 good? I’ve seen mixed answers regarding how long it takes npp to kick in.

Lastly, I might need to do a business trip for about 1-2 weeks in-between, which may be near the 8wk mark. I can bring orals with me but can’t pin. Are there any suggestions on how to handle this? One thought is to get a long ester test base and load up. Thoughts on this? Any other suggestions?

TIA

 

[Mufasa123]

What is the week 3-12 25mg eod? No compound listed.

Test is a long ester and npp is short. This is fine but given you might want a longer run and have that 1-2 week break in the middle...I'd favor deca and go 16 weeks. Deca is no more suppressive than npp, it's just ester length and extra clearance time to pct. If suppression is your concern don't run nandrolone, but lots of people recover just fine and there's been more studies on this molecule BY FAR than any other AAS than test itself.

I travel domestic US with pins and a prescription or non UGL labeled bottle. Non issue. Intl I won't do that. For a 1-2 week break I'd just take a 1.5x dose before I leave. Perfect? No. But, neither is no dose for 1-2 weeks. Longer deca will help here but honestly it doesn't matter all that much hence I said deca to help with trip and if you wanted 16 or more weeks.

Good luck.

 

[gaijininjapan28]

What is the week 3-12 25mg eod? No compound listed.

Test is a long ester and npp is short. This is fine but given you might want a longer run and have that 1-2 week break in the middle...I'd favor deca and go 16 weeks. Deca is no more suppressive than npp, it's just ester length and extra clearance time to pct. If suppression is your concern don't run nandrolone, but lots of people recover just fine and there's been more studies on this molecule BY FAR than any other AAS than test itself.

I travel domestic US with pins and a prescription or non UGL labeled bottle. Non issue. Intl I won't do that. For a 1-2 week break I'd just take a 1.5x dose before I leave. Perfect? No. But, neither is no dose for 1-2 weeks. Longer deca will help here but honestly it doesn't matter all that much hence I said deca to help with trip and if you wanted 16 or more weeks.

Good luck.

Whoops. 25mg eod Proviron

Thanks for the info. I’d like a quicker pct clear mostly due to test clearing faster and npp is altar preferred. Perhaps i should stop the npp a week or two believe stopping test?

 

[Mufasa123]

Whoops. 25mg eod Proviron

Thanks for the info. I’d like a quicker pct clear mostly due to test clearing faster and npp is altar preferred. Perhaps i should stop the npp a week or two believe stopping test?

Got it. All abiut priorities and that makes sense. I'd do pct thd way you do normally. Npp will clear faster than test thanks to ester. It's just more suppressive in general as it's nandrolone. You are fine though.

I B&C, and am on HRT regardless, so run deca without that concern.

 

[gaijininjapan28]

I heard NPP metabolites stay around longer and can cause issues.

Also, I’m having some major delays with a sponsor so i might start my cycle after my trip, so might not need for a gap. This frustrating.

 

[Mufasa123]

I heard NPP metabolites stay around longer and can cause issues.

Also, I’m having some major delays with a sponsor so i might start my cycle after my trip, so might not need for a gap. This frustrating.

Npp and deca are simply nandrolone with different esters. Cleave the ester and it's the same molecule. Ester controls active life in body once injected (short esters peak first and drop fastest). Nandrolone is more suppressive than test, mg per mg, regardless of ester but metabolites - I do not believe there is any evidence of suppression. What evidence there is is related to testing and detectability in drugs tested events and it is the metabolites of nandrolone, not the esters, that are tested for. Esters themselves can be used on lots of drugs and are neither illegal nor proven/tested to be supprissive in any way.