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dave palumbos igf1 advice!!!!

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did anyone catch palumbos advice on igf1 in last months muscular development?? he said more than 20mcg will sat the receptor and if you only use 20 mcg you will see results long past the 4 week mark. more like the 10 week mark! is it a different grade than wht most get? he said to split a 1000mcg bottle into 3 parts freeze 2 of them and you have enough igf for like 10 months. just wondering what opinions are on the "jumbo solution".
lucian
 
by looking at palumbos physique and what he has done to himself, he is the last person i would take advice from.
 
WEll whether he is right or wrong, it is hard to take advice from a guy that was busted selling FAKE HGH...

My trust with him is gone...I do not even read his articles.
 
was a well trusted very educated guy but things have changed.. igf1 is not such a great drug imo but i was always told 50-60 mcgs post workout...
cya
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edge250 said:
by looking at palumbos physique and what he has done to himself, he is the last person i would take advice from.

Dan Duchain on the other hand . . . :star-wars


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steak,

you gotta change your avatar man! i can't even read your posts! my eyeballs just can't escape the gravitational pull...
 
lucian said:
did anyone catch palumbos advice on igf1 in last months muscular development?? he said more than 20mcg will sat the receptor and if you only use 20 mcg you will see results long past the 4 week mark. more like the 10 week mark! is it a different grade than wht most get? he said to split a 1000mcg bottle into 3 parts freeze 2 of them and you have enough igf for like 10 months. just wondering what opinions are on the "jumbo solution".
lucian


I didnt see his article. I've ran lr3igf1 at 50mcg with good results.
 
I read that too, and wondered-I didnt agree.
I think Palumbo is one of the smartest guys in BBing. But Im not with him here. I did 25mcg my 2nd cycle (after waiting about 3mo off). Nowhere near the results like when I did 35-50mcg. Just speaking from experience.
 
Dave's protocol

(1)-STORAGE OF IGF-1(prior to mixing)
lyophilized (dry) IGF-1is stable at room temperture for three weeks;however,it should be stored below -18 degrees celsius (in the freezer section).

(2)WEIGHT OF IGF-1
1 milligram (mg) IGF-1 = 1,000 mcg (micrograms) IGF-1 (dry weight- before mixing).

(3) WHAT TO MIX THE IGF-1 WITH
when reconstituting,its important to remember IGF-1 can get "stuck" in the grooves of the glass bottle it comes packaged in. while glass appears smooth to the naked eye, under a microscope, it's a convoluted landscape of grooves and hidden recesses.
By mixing the lyophilized IGF-1 with an "acid water" (e.g., 10mM HCL -very dilute hydochloric acid), the IGF-1 molecules are efficiently detached from the glass and solubilized in the mixture. Any online "compounding" laboratory could mix up a 10mM HCL solution. likewise, any intro chemistry student should be able to do the same.
If a reliable source of "acid water" can't be located, mix your IGF-1 powder with BACTERIOSTATIC WATER - you'll lose, at worst, 10 percent of the IGF-1 solution.

(4) ADDING THE ACID WATER
For the purposes of mathematical ease, I suggest mixing the dry 1 milligram (1,000 microgram) IGF-1 with 3ml (or 3cc) of the "acid water" mixture.

(5) PRESERVATION OF THE IGF-1
Next,using a 1cc insulin syringe,draw out 1cc out of the bottle containing the 3cc acid water/IGF-1 mixture.In a seperate 1cc insulin syringe,draw up another 1cc of the solution.Freeze these two loaded insulin syringes.They will be utilized at a later date.

NOTE:Freezing can safely and effectively preserve IGF-1(even after its been mixed)

(6)THE CORRECT DILUTION
To the remaining 1cc of IGF-1 thats left in the glass bottle,add 2cc of bacteriostatic water.This will return the total volume back up to 3cc.

(7)THE MATHEMATICS
(A)The original concentration of the IGF-1 solution was 1mg(1000 micrograms)
IGF-1 in 3cc of water.

(B)Each 1cc that was removed,then,contained approximately 333 micrograms IGF-1 per 1cc.

1,000 micrograms/3cc = 333 micrograms per 1cc

©The 1cc that was left in the bottle,then,also contains 333 micrograms of IGF-1.

(D)Next,we added 2cc of bacteriostatic water to the bottle and brought the volume back up to 3cc.The difference is we now have 333 micrograms in 3cc of water (instead of in 1cc)

(E)To determine how much IGF-1 is in 1cc,you must divide by three.

333 micrograms/3cc=111 micrograms per 1cc

(F)To determine how much IGF-1 is in .10cc (or 1/10thcc) we do the following.

111 micrograms/10=11micrograms per .10cc

(8)EFFICTIVE DOSAGES OF IGF-1
Dosages in the range of 10 to 20 micrograms per day(taken 10 to 15 minuters after training) are quite effective for building and repairing muscle tissue.
More importantly,these moderate dosages (by some peoples estimation)
stimulate muscle growth yet escape rapid "downregulation" of the all important IGF-1 receptors.
Without receptors to recognize the IGF-1,it doesnt matter how much you inject.
NOTHING will happen.
As dosages climb to over 50 micrograms per day,receptor downgrade increases exponentially and,from what I've observed among bodybuilders,muscle gains come to a screeching hault.

Bodybuilders will have the most sucess with IGF-1 if they follow the protocol I outlined below. REMEMBER, more isn't always better.

11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 1) 333 micrograms

2 weeks OFF

11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 2)** 333 micrograms

2 weeks OFF

11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 3)** 333 micrograms

8 weeks OFF


** The second and third cycles of IGF-1 treatment require that the two Frozen 1cc insulin syringes be defrosted(only defrost one per cycle).
Next,inject the defrosted solution into an empty bottle.
Further dilute with 2cc bacteriostatic water. When adding the 2cc of water,use the syringe that originally held the frozen IGF-1.
This also helps to wash the syringe and ensure that no IGF-1 is stuck inside of it.


As it appeared in MD.

Rex.
 
Palumbo's column is full of shit 90% of the time. His dosing protocols are silly. Anyone who's had any experience with IGF will laugh at his advice. This is a guy who claims to never take more than 1000mg test & 300mg Eq a week & no more than 2iu GH a day. Well, since I KNOW he takes 1 GH kit a week, I'd say the rest of his advice is about as useless as owning a Bowflex machine.
 
OuchThatHurts said:
steak,

you gotta change your avatar man! i can't even read your posts! my eyeballs just can't escape the gravitational pull...

WEll I hope the avatar isn't offensive :)

WEll sometimes I write goofy things, so I try and take the attention away from my writing and put it on a good piece....of photography.
 
Rex Feral said:
(3) WHAT TO MIX THE IGF-1 WITH
when reconstituting,its important to remember IGF-1 can get "stuck" in the grooves of the glass bottle it comes packaged in. while glass appears smooth to the naked eye, under a microscope, it's a convoluted landscape of grooves and hidden recesses.
By mixing the lyophilized IGF-1 with an "acid water" (e.g., 10mM HCL -very dilute hydochloric acid), the IGF-1 molecules are efficiently detached from the glass and solubilized in the mixture. Any online "compounding" laboratory could mix up a 10mM HCL solution. likewise, any intro chemistry student should be able to do the same.
If a reliable source of "acid water" can't be located, mix your IGF-1 powder with BACTERIOSTATIC WATER - you'll lose, at worst, 10 percent of the IGF-1 solution.


Rex.

is igf-1 not an insulin like globular protein? while 10mM HCl is pretty dilute it still has a pH of 2 and as far as i know that would denature just about any protein. i would be hesitant to take this advice
 
hmmm

i have heard hes full of shit on many things, just thought he might be talking about receptor instead of media grade. i still believe igf1 is great stuff after only using it once. dont worry edge i wont take jumbos advice.
 
nemo said:
is igf-1 not an insulin like globular protein? while 10mM HCl is pretty dilute it still has a pH of 2 and as far as i know that would denature just about any protein. i would be hesitant to take this advice

An astute observation. I woudn't take such information to be true either without further investigation. Especially from a source like a bodybuilding rag. I deferred to GroPep and Sigma when I first delved into IGF. His info in this instance is correct however. I choose 100mM acetic acid. Either is fine.

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Rex.
 
your AVATAR rocks don't change a thing!!!:D
as for igf i used 50mcg a day and gained 12 lbs in two weeks,help me get heavier than ever before>
leap


Steak Helmet said:
WEll I hope the avatar isn't offensive :)

WEll sometimes I write goofy things, so I try and take the attention away from my writing and put it on a good piece....of photography.
 
Steak,

Don't touch that avatar! I'm not done yet! JK!! :D

I really like IGF - 60 to 100

helped me get passed 230 and stay there - nice lean mass that stays around
 
GH?

Rex Feral said:
(3) WHAT TO MIX THE IGF-1 WITH
when reconstituting,its important to remember IGF-1 can get "stuck" in the grooves of the glass bottle it comes packaged in. while glass appears smooth to the naked eye, under a microscope, it's a convoluted landscape of grooves and hidden recesses.
By mixing the lyophilized IGF-1 with an "acid water" (e.g., 10mM HCL -very dilute hydochloric acid), the IGF-1 molecules are efficiently detached from the glass and solubilized in the mixture.
then wouldn't this apply to GH also?
And can this type of acid water be used for the detaching?
 

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