Dutasteride 0.5 mg twice per week = Finasteride 5 mg daily w/ Less Side effects

[Sambo44]

@Black Beard I saw a youtube vid of Vigirious steve that he was stating that duta/fina could have a negative effect in building muscle. Do you also think this is the case with duta(2-3x per week) and minox daily?

Minoxidil no , if anything minoxidil might help a little , but like black beard says your not putting out the fire with minoxidil only , but fina and durasteride are anti androgens, they will put the fire out ,dht is a good thing in males , we just don’t want it in our scalps or prostate, they make dht based steroids for a reason , so good question, id like to know that answer myself

 

[Black Beard]

@Black Beard I saw a youtube vid of Vigirious steve that he was stating that duta/fina could have an negative effect in building muscle. Do you also think this is the case with duta(2-3x per week) and minox daily?

what is the logic, mechanism or data he argues for this? I hate to say it's clickbait but a lot of the claims i here people mentioning from this guy are full of this.


There are studies where testosterone was given with finasteride and there was no difference in body composition.


Also, testosterone is more anabolic for muscle than DHT and dutasteride especially increases total and free testosterone.


You can also look up anecdotes on reddit of people being very strong, very lean with no issues on finasteride/dutasteride.


I believe our own @TeknoViking has said in the past that he has great results with daily dutasteride and has no issues with physique, staying lean, libido, etc.

 

[Sambo44]

what is the logic, mechanism or data he argues for this? I hate to say it's clickbait but a lot of the claims i here people mentioning from this guy are full of this.


There are studies where testosterone was given with finasteride and there was no difference in body composition.


Also, testosterone is more anabolic for muscle than DHT and dutasteride especially increases total and free testosterone.


You can also look up anecdotes on reddit of people being very strong, very lean with no issues on finasteride/dutasteride.


I believe our own @TeknoViking has said in the past that he has great results with daily dutasteride and has no issues with physique, staying lean, libido, etc.

Oh well that’s great to hear , I always wondered that myself if fina or durasteride would hurt your gains in anyway ? thanks black beard again

 

[Sambo44]

@Black Beard I saw a youtube vid of Vigirious steve that he was stating that duta/fina could have an negative effect in building muscle. Do you also think this is the case with duta(2-3x per week) and minox daily?

Just to be clear bigzzz, what I meant when I said minoxidil could help a little ,of course I meant with hair loss ,not muscle gains , I’ve heard of guys running minoxidil only while running 19 nor and dht based steroids and for some it helped keep their hair , but while not on minoxidil ,they would loss hair , I’m pretty sure fina or duta would be pretty much useless with 19 nor or dht based steroids in my opinion ,but black beard would be much better to answer that ,but you never know, it’s possible maybe, just wanted to clear up my post , because it sounded to me I was saying minoxidil could help with muscle gains and I don’t see how that would be even possible lol ,btw guys ,I think it’s been pretty much proven bro science to never use fina or duta while running 19 Nor or dht steroids, because it would make you hair fall out faster ,I’m sure lots of you have heard that , so have i of course , I think that’s just nonsense , now ,is fina or duta gonna help at all while running 19 nor or dht steroids? Probably not , but it won’t make it fall out any faster , thats just my take on it

 

[Doitagain]

Just to be clear bigzzz, what I meant when I said minoxidil could help a little ,of course I meant with hair loss ,not muscle gains

Glad you clarified that statement, since minoxidil actually increases the activity of 3α-HSD, the enzyme that degrades/inactivates Testosterone.

 

[bigzzz]

Ha @Black Beard few questions.

Will duta only have benefits? I ordered oral minox and duta but they forgot to send the minox... So that will be here in 2 weeks or so.

Also, when running duta+oral minox, is the keta shampoo still necesary/beneficial? I noticed it dries my scalp(even with good conditioner). Thanks.

 

[Black Beard]

Ha @Black Beard few questions.

Will duta only have benefits? I ordered oral minox and duta but they forgot to send the minox... So that will be here in 2 weeks or so.

Also, when running duta+oral minox, is the keta shampoo still necesary/beneficial? I noticed it dries my scalp(even with good conditioner). Thanks.

Of course, the main benefit is stopping the hair loss from progressing further. Duta can regrow hair, but the results can take 1-2 years to see significant benefit.


Some lucky guys will see some regrowth as soon as 4-6 months. Some unlucky guys wont even stop their hair growth on dutasteride. (This is rare though)


How often are you running ketoconazole shampoo?

 

[Liter O' Test]

Oh well that’s great to hear , I always wondered that myself if fina or durasteride would hurt your gains in anyway ? thanks black beard again

Theres a study from awhile ago where they compare two twins, one normal and one with a defiency in the 5-ar, the one with the defiency had more muscle mass and more hair.
however it might not be this simple at supraphysiological doses and with weight training/CNS involvement.

Thanks black beard , yeah definitely makes sense, 3x weekly sounds like a good starting point for a gram a week of testosterone

I was taking .5mg dutasteride ED on 1000mg-1250mg test and I was just above the top normal range at like ~1100. I don't know how normal that range is but it was much higher than i would have liked. We are all different but there is my anecdote.

 

[bigzzz]

Of course, the main benefit is stopping the hair loss from progressing further. Duta can regrow hair, but the results can take 1-2 years to see significant benefit.


Some lucky guys will see some regrowth as soon as 4-6 months. Some unlucky guys wont even stop their hair growth on dutasteride. (This is rare though)


How often are you running ketoconazole shampoo?

Ok, thanks!

I am doing the shampoo twice per week. So you would still advice to use the shampoo besides duta/oral minox?

 

[Black Beard]

Ok, thanks!

I am doing the shampoo twice per week. So you would still advice to use the shampoo besides duta/oral minox?

It definitely helps, how long are you leaving it in for? Are you using a lot?

 

[strummer]

It definitely helps, how long are you leaving it in for? Are you using a lot?

I have been using your protocol of 2.5 oral minoxidil with 0.5 mg finasteride three days a week and have had great results however my prostrate is quite enlarged and wondering if I should swap out the finasteride with duta to help with prostrate issues ? Or can i add duta to current stack with fina or would that be overkill? Thanks for the many you have helped with your stack

 

[Black Beard]

I have been using your protocol of 2.5 oral minoxidil with 0.5 mg finasteride three days a week and have had great results however my prostrate is quite enlarged and wondering if I should swap out the finasteride with duta to help with prostrate issues ? Or can i add duta to current stack with fina or would that be overkill? Thanks for the many you have helped with your stack

How long have you been on that stack for? Are you running testosterone year round? What dosage? and any other AAS? Are you using HGH as well?

 

[strummer]

How long have you been on that stack for? Are you running testosterone year round? What dosage? and any other AAS? Are you using HGH as well

How long have you been on that stack for? Are you running testosterone year round? What dosage? and any other AAS? Are you using HGH as well?

Been on stack since shortly after your original post so over a year, Trt 180 mg weekly..no hgh..occasionally i throw some primo in at 200 mg weekly. Psa within range but do have BPH. Thanks

 

[Black Beard]

Been on stack since shortly after your original post so over a year, Trt 180 mg weekly..no hgh..occasionally i throw some primo in at 200 mg weekly. Psa within range but do have BPH. Thanks

Using any AI? and how long and frequent are those primo runs?


Dutasteride might work better for you. If you switch, stop the finasteride for 30 days before starting the dutasteride.

 

[strummer]

Using any AI? and how long and frequent are those primo runs?


Dutasteride might work better for you. If you switch, stop the finasteride for 30 days before starting the dutasteride.

No ai needed or being used,primo once a year about 12 weeks. Thanks for responding

 

[DigestTest]

How fast to see results on this protocol of dutasteride 3 times a week ?

 

[Black Beard]

How fast to see results on this protocol of dutasteride 3 times a week ?

Generally 4-6 months earliest if good responder/lucky, but closer to 1-2 years for significant results in most people. It takes time to lose hair and it takes time to grow it back.


Some people will immediately stop losing hairs, others will go through shedding cycles where hair falls out then regrows thicker.


Oral minoxidil, as soon as 2 months.

 

[FuriousAngus]

Generally 4-6 months earliest if good responder/lucky, but closer to 1-2 years for significant results in most people. It takes time to lose hair and it takes time to grow it back.


Some people will immediately stop losing hairs, others will go through shedding cycles where hair falls out then regrows thicker.


Oral minoxidil, as soon as 2 months.

I’d like to add: it’s been a few weeks now since I switched to Dutasteride (0.5mg MWF from 1mg EoD Fin) and my very small hardened gyno has kind of shrunk by about 70% (while being on 500mg test and 8iu HGH), I also have very strong morning wood now, surprisingly…

I never felt bad on Fin, but I do feel that Duta is treating me better so far.

 

[PrimeZilla]

Is there a big difference from switching to 0.5mg eod to ed?

 

[trackstar19]

I have a pretty anal hair routine my hair has been trying to exit my head for the past fifteen years. It’s progressed a bit but I’m not quite yet at the hair transplant point.

I do:

~2-5mg of fin daily (I have it in powder form so the exact amount varies daily)
Keto shampoo every single night and I leave it on my head over night and rinse off in the morning.

After I rinse off the overnight nizoral I have topical minoxidil that I added ru58867 (sp?) to at a 25mg dose and I apply that and leave it on.