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Lol good point, that's basically how it is for me with the eventual end being eat less and exercise more.
I'm surprised by the poll results, looks like twice as many people go with "eat less exercise less". I expected a lot of guys here to be all about maximizing both.
On another forum there was a guy telling me how my diet was way too restrictive and I was not going to make progress because I was starving myself and doing too much activity. But this was on ~2000 calories with a refeed and daily cardio. I listened to him as I got off cycle and bumped it up to 2400 but as I said it was off cycle so I lost a ton of bloat and he thought it was working but once the water was off it completely stalled and in my opinion it's an incorrect view. Yes at times you need to back off but it's unrealistic to think anyone can keep getting as lean as they want on 2400+ with little cardio, especially endos like us. I can think of 5+ guys I know right now, all more muscular than me (but around the same weight) who are dieting with around 2000 calories right now and only very moderate refeeds of 3000-3500 so I don't think I'm out of the norm or doing anything too extreme with dropping below 2400 especially with the refeeds thrown in.
Giving oneself enough time is a big part of it but I think eventually a lot of dieters get to the point of needing to eat less and exercise a lot.
Oh and one method I will not go back to is the "exercise less but more T3" approach lol I still do not completely understand scientifically why but it seems past the 50mcg point (roughly) the deficit created by more T3 just seems to be more catabolic than an equal amount created by diet or exercise. Can't seem to find a legitimate explanation for this though.
For an endo, 2000 calories with 3000 refeed is quite sensible. Being endo going past 50mcg will raise cortisol so when/ if you do. Only go up 25mcg and back off cardio and up calories (protein)slightly for a week. Then you go back to working on loosing....at least this works for me.