Experiences with Cytadren and/or Teslac??

[Mr Pickels]

Anybody on here have any experience with Cytadren and/or Teslac????

positives, negatives ????

 

[Maelstrom]

I've used cytadren @ 500mg/day for cortisol control on my last two cycles. I used it for two weeks at the start and two weeks towards the end of each cycle.

I think anti-catabolic, as opposed to pro-anabolic, is on of the forgotten elements in BB and cytadren can supposedly mess up you cortisol receptors for up to a year post cessation.

Although my last two cycles have been my best yet, I changed around a lot of things, so I can't really say how much help it was. Didn't really notice any side effects, but it is supposed to be quite hard on the liver.

 

[MikeS]

Teslac is very hard to get, not many if any guys Ive know have used it.

Cytadren is tricky. I had bad sides-not worth doing again. Joint pains, loss of strength when I went off...And I did 2on/2off for about 4wks.

MrP- I'll PM you after I check something out.

 

[G.E.R.M]

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my best cycle ever included cytadren...

no sides except maybe some slight joint ache..

 

[Maelstrom]

Cytadren is tricky.....loss of strength when I went off

Anyone know why would it cause a loss of strength? Cortisol rebound maybe? What doseage did you run Mike?

 

[fla+]

Cytadren inhibits the production of androgens, estrogens and cortisone (and related) in the body.

Maelstorm: Cytadren inhibits the production of androgens, estrogens and cortisone (and related) in the body. For this, it could cause a loss of strenght.

Medically, this drug is used to treat Cushing’s syndrome, a condition in which the body overproduces cortisone.

For athletes with normal blood levels, a little less cortisone could still be a good thing. While androgens give your muscle cells a message to increase protein synthesis, cortisone gives the exact opposite message, to breakdown amino acids.

Since Cytadren also inhibits androgen production, it is always used by athletes with some form of testosterone.

Together with even a relatively small dose, one could shift the ratio of anabolic to catabolic hormones in favor of the former.

Cytadren also effectively inhibits estrogen production and androgen to estrogen conversion.

Research is bare as to the best way for athletes to administer Cytadren, but anecdotal evidence suggests that a schedule of 2 days on and 2 days off is effective.

One thing is for certain, when used by healthy individuals as an anti-catabolic, Cytadren cannot be taken daily. After a short period of regular use, your body will react to the lowered cortisone levels and release increased amounts of another hormone, ACTH, in response.

Increased ACTH will result in your body resuming cortisone production, basically making Cytadren useless.

When used medically though, a moderate amount of hydrocortisone is supplemented to avoid this reaction. For athletes however, this would probably be a counterproductive practice. Thus the 2 day on 2 day off regime has been implemented in an attempt to delay or avoid this response. As for the daily dosage, athletes have experimented with anywhere from 1/2 a tablet to 3 tablets per day (250mg), 1 or 2 being most common.

Cytadren is not without it’s side effects and warnings, which are numerous. To be very succinct, these include, but are not limited to, the possibility of fatigue, dizziness, sleep disorder, apathy, depression, nausea/vomiting, stomach upset, thyroid dysfunction and liver disease. Athletes also report that the reduced cortisone often brings about more aches in your joints and an increased susceptibility to injury.

I like to use in the final week before a contest...I had a good results with this strategic...

Fla

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Impressive!!

Not sure what I am more impressed with, your research or your mastery of the english language.But please dont steal my word.....succinct. JK

 

[DamageInc]

cytadren can supposedly mess up you cortisol receptors for up to a year post cessation.

Not worth it IMO....

 

[DamageInc]

Fla...You take that directly from Anabolics 2004?

 

[fla+]

Damageinc: I only tryied to help...I took some parts from my personal archive....sorry.. I made this, a long time ago...I didnt write the reference...but I can find if it is important for you....

In Brazil, this drug is legal, and a lot of BB use this here...

 

[weight77]

Good info Fla.

 

[DamageInc]

What about Teslac?

 

[Gundill]

here is something you need to know about teslac

J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1998 Mar;83(3):784-7.

Testolactone-associated high androgen levels, a pharmacologic effect or a laboratory artifact?

Cummings EA, Salisbury SR, Givner ML, Rittmaster RS.

Department of Pediatrics, IWK Grace Health Centre, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada.

Testolactone, an aromatase inhibitor, blocks conversion of androgens to estrogens. In familial male precocious puberty, slowing of pubertal progression and growth velocity occurs with testolactone and spironolactone. Girls with McCune-Albright syndrome, given testolactone, respond similarly. A 2-yr-old female (case 1) on testolactone for non-McCune-Albright gonadotropin independent precocious puberty had marked elevations of androstenedione (18 ng/mL, normal: 0.2-3.1) and testosterone (3.6 ng/mL, normal < 0.2) but no virilization. Investigations were undertaken to determine whether elevations in testosterone and androstenedione were caused by interference in these RIAs. After a single oral dose of testolactone (5 mg/kg in case 1; 4 mg/kg in case 2, a 3-yr-old boy with familial male precocious puberty; 10 mg/kg in a healthy postmenopausal control), serum testosterone and androstenedione were measured serially by RIA for 24 h. Androstenedione went from normal to a mean peak of 45.4 ng/mL at 1-2 h and returned to baseline by 24 h. Testosterone, undetectable at baseline (case 1 and control) or 1.8 ng/mL (case 2) rose to a mean peak of 6.9 ng/mL and returned to baseline by 24 h. Testolactone, in serial dilutions, cross-reacted in the testosterone assay. Testolactone significantly interferes in these serum RIAs, making their use unreliable in follow-up of patients treated with testolactone.

 

[Rogue]

Teslac is Ok I guess... its a first generation anti-aromatase right there with Cytadren if you will. I used 4 a day (very costly) cause i was getting it on insurance.
These items are by all means obsolete. Now we have Arimidex, Femara which are great! and aromasin which I have not tried.
My opinion is they rank like this from worst to best:
1.Cytadren
2.Teslactone
3. Arimidex
4. Femara
aromasin???

 

[Mr Pickels]

i was gonna use Cytadren to handle cortisol and b/c of cost/availability, was gonna run arimidex to handle the estrogen

femara doesnt to do anything for cortisol correct ??

 

[Rogue]

Neither does cytadren after the first 10 days. And to take enough of it to do anything after that it's counterproductive as you not only limit cortisol, you also diminish all the other hormones.
Thats Bad!!

 

[Rogue]

Believe it or not, good estrogen management is indirect cortisol control.