First cycle advice "Please"

[RNCowboy]

I am a 40 yo male. Workouts are 5 days a week. Lifting hard every other day and light cardio, stretching , abs, yoga etc on the opposite days. Been training natural for the past 20 years. Graduated from high school same height and 140.

Day 1 Chest and Tris
Day 2 Cardio, yoga, stretching etc
Day 3 Back and Bi's
Day 4 Cardio, yoga, stretching, etc
Day 5 Legs and Shoulders.

I am 6'2 between 200 and 205. About 15% BF. My ultimate goal is about 225 lean. Not going to compete just wanted look like a god. I am 40 and this is my midlife crisis. (For all the people that are going to post about not doing this unless I am going to compete etc, I get it and still wanna do it.) Also hoping for a bump in libido from the Test...

Diet has come around relatively nicely. Using ON whey protein to get my protein in. Staying at 400 grams of protein a day. Less than 300 grams of CHO and letting the fats stay as low as possible, but I do eat chicken and lean ground beef also olive oil when using oils.

Looking to put on some solid lean bulk if possible. Dont mind bulking up then trying to lean out for summer, but dont want to be the "fat guy in the gym" either. NEVER done a cycle before except some orals about a year ago. Also did a cycle of Superdrol if that counts. Not sure it did a lot. Tried Hemaguna and that didnt do shit. Have everything listed below already based on an article on here posted by a Mod (not sure if I can mention who), but have some questions.

This is what I was planning. I know dosages are low, but the acne photo I just saw scared the hell out of me. I am expecting people to tell me to up the Test dose, but if so should I up the dose or maybe make it every 5 days instead, or is it okay for a FIRST cycle ever.

Sust 250 250mg QW
Deca 200mg QW
Anabol 20mg QD 1 month on 2 weeks off then 1 month on.
Milk thistle the whole time on orals.
Nolvadex 10 mg QD the whole time?
HCG 500 IU QW the whole time?

Questions:
1. In the article I read and a few posts I have read people are talking af staying on the test for LONG periods of time. So what are we talking about. 6 months on test is okay? The article said the same thing about the Deca.

2. The orals I am think of on for 4 weeks and off for two then possible back for 4 if things are going well. After two oral cyles getting some blood work and accessing results. Sound reasonable?

3. Nolva the whole time? From day 1?

4. HCG. I ordered it and have it, but it is totally foreign to me. So 500 IU QW from the start or wait till into the cycle a bit. The article says from the start.

I know there is no plan listed for coming off any of this, but the next bit of research is a gainskeeper formula. This is what I have so far from the same article. "When you eventually come off the gear, you make sure that you are off the orals. Then cut out the anabolic over 2 weeks. Then the testosterone over 3 weeks. One week after that, you need to add primo tabs or anavar (oxandrin) for 3 weeks. That will ensure that you will keep your gains."

5. Any complaints with any of this?

 

[Golgo13]

Never try more than one new substance at once... If you have a negative reaction you won't know which chemical did it.

You need to learn as much about yourself as you can as you go on in this game. I would suggest, Test enanthate for 10 weeks @ 400mg and see how that goes, then maybe add something else in the second run.

 

[Thor]

GOOD POINT HERE

Never try more than one new substance at once... If you have a negative reaction you won't know which chemical did it.

You need to learn as much about yourself as you can as you go on in this game. I would suggest, Test enanthate for 10 weeks @ 400mg and see how that goes, then maybe add something else in the second run.

As far as what you've got so far I would say it's good, and the homework you've done is commendable, I would however do what Golgo says and just use test for the first run, amount is debatable since it is not actually your first run( orals and superdrol count IMO) but 250 a week would be fine, FORGET the nolva it will only slow your gains, and hcg once or twice a week at 500 should be plenty. That will at least give you an idea of how you respond. then 2nd time around add deca and bump test amount up a bit.

 

[Thor]

ALSO....

I am a 40 yo male. Workouts are 5 days a week. Lifting hard every other day and light cardio, stretching , abs, yoga etc on the opposite days. Been training natural for the past 20 years. Graduated from high school same height and 140.

Day 1 Chest and Tris
Day 2 Cardio, yoga, stretching etc
Day 3 Back and Bi's
Day 4 Cardio, yoga, stretching, etc
Day 5 Legs and Shoulders.

I am 6'2 between 200 and 205. About 15% BF. My ultimate goal is about 225 lean. Not going to compete just wanted look like a god. I am 40 and this is my midlife crisis. (For all the people that are going to post about not doing this unless I am going to compete etc, I get it and still wanna do it.) Also hoping for a bump in libido from the Test...

Diet has come around relatively nicely. Using ON whey protein to get my protein in. Staying at 400 grams of protein a day. Less than 300 grams of CHO and letting the fats stay as low as possible, but I do eat chicken and lean ground beef also olive oil when using oils.

Looking to put on some solid lean bulk if possible. Dont mind bulking up then trying to lean out for summer, but dont want to be the "fat guy in the gym" either. NEVER done a cycle before except some orals about a year ago. Also did a cycle of Superdrol if that counts. Not sure it did a lot. Tried Hemaguna and that didnt do shit. Have everything listed below already based on an article on here posted by a Mod (not sure if I can mention who), but have some questions.

This is what I was planning. I know dosages are low, but the acne photo I just saw scared the hell out of me. I am expecting people to tell me to up the Test dose, but if so should I up the dose or maybe make it every 5 days instead, or is it okay for a FIRST cycle ever.

Sust 250 250mg QW
Deca 200mg QW
Anabol 20mg QD 1 month on 2 weeks off then 1 month on.
Milk thistle the whole time on orals.
Nolvadex 10 mg QD the whole time?
HCG 500 IU QW the whole time?

Questions:
1. In the article I read and a few posts I have read people are talking af staying on the test for LONG periods of time. So what are we talking about. 6 months on test is okay? The article said the same thing about the Deca.

2. The orals I am think of on for 4 weeks and off for two then possible back for 4 if things are going well. After two oral cyles getting some blood work and accessing results. Sound reasonable?

3. Nolva the whole time? From day 1?

4. HCG. I ordered it and have it, but it is totally foreign to me. So 500 IU QW from the start or wait till into the cycle a bit. The article says from the start.

I know there is no plan listed for coming off any of this, but the next bit of research is a gainskeeper formula. This is what I have so far from the same article. "When you eventually come off the gear, you make sure that you are off the orals. Then cut out the anabolic over 2 weeks. Then the testosterone over 3 weeks. One week after that, you need to add primo tabs or anavar (oxandrin) for 3 weeks. That will ensure that you will keep your gains."

5. Any complaints with any of this?

1) I would not stay on ANYTHING for 6 months, 3 or 4 months max.
2) Anabol may raise your BP and thin your hair so I wouldn't bother with it .
3) Nolva should only be kept on hand just in case but i would not ( never have) use it. Save it for coming off and use it then.
4) I would wait until week 3 to start hcg.
There are a few gainskeeper formulas so that I can't tell ya about that except that I have tried a few different approaches and am still trying to find the most effective formula. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

 

[juggy38]

Test only is probably where you need to start. Test E 500mg week is a great first cycle.

 

[njpooldude]

OUCHTHATHURTS wrote an amazing artical thread on sust250.. READ IT!!

if it were my lab rat that had written this cycle, i would tell him to do the following

sust250---500mg weekly 2cc's ONE day a week, or once every 8 days- not 1cc monday and 1cc thursday read that artical and ull see why

like stated above dont take the nolva unless u need it.

hcg wait till u come off the sust

save the deca for another cycle

anabol is fun... but 1 month on and only 2 weeks off and another month on... id be worried for my little lab rats liver. If he is gonna use it at all i would say 4-6 weeks on tops!... and thats it.... leave it at that

take milk thistle the ENTIRE cycle... even after u come off... also in the artical forum is a great artical on milk thistle.. and for me it helps with acne which is why i say stay on it, not just while on orals

be safe, and have fun.. and eat anything that gets in your way

 

[juggy38]

Yes if your going the Sust. route read the article that is metioned above

 

[brineal]

your goal of 225 lean can be achieved without steroids, why risk using them especially at this point in your life?

 

[Deus ex machina]

Stick with just Test at between 250 and 500 a week. Not hating on you but I see a lot of "this is my first cycle" threads and the person will have a bunch of compounds mixed together and often some of the harshest as far as side effects go. Use one of the basic cycles that most veterans show in many places and don't go overboard because coming back after drowning can be pretty tough.

 

[RNCowboy]

Thanks for the replies

So I have taken the advice of most and stuck with the sust once a week. So far two weeks in I like it already. Nothing huge, but I have hopes. Eating like a shark... Anyway, I will let everyone know what happens and thanks for the replies. Any future cycle thoughts would be appreciated via private message. Dont wanna blow the board rules.

Thanks.

 

[notsobig32]

So I have taken the advice of most and stuck with the sust once a week. So far two weeks in I like it already. Nothing huge, but I have hopes. Eating like a shark... Anyway, I will let everyone know what happens and thanks for the replies. Any future cycle thoughts would be appreciated via private message. Dont wanna blow the board rules.

Thanks.

No one can suggest a cycle to you I would say that i usually don't change my cycles till i no longer grow. I personally take the same doseage as you are right now and will not up it until i stop making progress.

Good luck and be safe!!!!

 

[brineal]

cycling at 40 y.o. just to gain 10 pounds to look good...makes zero sense to me....

 

[pesty4077]

cycling at 40 y.o. just to gain 10 pounds to look good...makes zero sense to me....

Why? Do you think because he is 40, maybe we should get him a rocking chair? So, putting on muscle is young man's thing? At 40 years old, he probally has naturally lower test levels and a little test could improve him overall alot. I do not know this for sure with out proper bloodwork, but that is the normal.

 

[HOTROCKS]

cycling at 40 y.o. just to gain 10 pounds to look good...makes zero sense to me....

What would if not to look good ?

 

[brineal]

Why? Do you think because he is 40, maybe we should get him a rocking chair? So, putting on muscle is young man's thing? At 40 years old, he probally has naturally lower test levels and a little test could improve him overall alot. I do not know this for sure with out proper bloodwork, but that is the normal.

no not at all, please dont put words in my mouth, and if you look at what he wants to use, its test, deca and anabol, so were talking about considerably more than hrt or trt already, and he's doing it to accomplish what could easily be done by putting fork to mouth... im just saying is a three substance cycle containing a rough compound like anabol worth it for a cosmetic ten pounds at that age? he even said himself, this is his "midlife crisis" cycle and im sorry but ten pounds sounds really good, but it really doesnt make a huge difference at 6'2, i know because im 6'3...

also, i can only hope to look as good as you do when im up at your age, and i certainly am not saying that the guy is a geriatric...

 

[brineal]

What would if not to look good ?

hrt, trt, or a goal involving competition would be a start...

 

[pesty4077]

no not at all, please dont put words in my mouth, and if you look at what he wants to use, its test, deca and anabol, so were talking about considerably more than hrt or trt already, and he's doing it to accomplish what could easily be done by putting fork to mouth... im just saying is a three substance cycle containing a rough compound like anabol worth it for a cosmetic ten pounds at that age? he even said himself, this is his "midlife crisis" cycle and im sorry but ten pounds sounds really good, but it really doesnt make a huge difference at 6'2, i know because im 6'3...

also, i can only hope to look as good as you do when im up at your age, and i certainly am not saying that the guy is a geriatric...

I was using some old guy humor I agree most want to do too much to start and neglect the basics, training and most important Diet. Basically 250mg of test goes a long way the first time, if you do the basics. By the way, I would take 10 pounds, but not for everyday looks, because I need it at my height to be competitive in BB. And looking at your avatar, you look like you can be good shape at my age, just stick with it.

 

[brineal]

haha, ok i got you, sometimes the rhetoric gets lost online, believe me i would take 10 pounds too but im working for 40