For frequent/daily injectors

[Mufasa123]

If 1ml or under slin pin. Been doing that since the Ulter days and his youtube video. These are backfilled with a 20g 3ml. Obviously HGH or PT-141 or whatever is slin pin too.

I don't draw with 18g. Eats stoppers eventually even high quality ones. It's not like they are cheaper so I only buy 20g and 3ml.

Inject is 25g (occasionally 23g) 1" in a 3ml. Don't think I've ever used a 5ml but multiple 3ml in a day if I had too.

Main sites are ventro, glutes (I sit and scoot to the side to make the muscle stick out as opposed to twisting myself), delts, as well as pecs then traps if needed.

I don't like daily IM injects (avoid scar tissue and PITA). I prefer 1x for cruising, 2-3x for blasting and if I use a short ester (tren a) it's MWF and at most MWF+Sat.

 

[YoungExec]

What route do you use? (Subq vs IM)

IM, doing 1 gram subq seems difficult, I use sema .10 and sometimes get stomach bruises..

Do you use insulin pins or regular?

Depends. Usually insulin but for bigger shots use the 3ml

What size needle and gauge?

27 or 31

Preferred areas for the frequency?

Glutes, thighs Usually leave me some pain after a day or 2. Delts occasionally

What is the typical volume you’re comfortable with?

I Usually do .5cc

Does the location change for you dependent on the volume?

Yes, larger volume glute always. Smaller ill try delts or thigh sometimes

Do you preload to save time?

No

 

[hemipower]

How do you manage this?

• What route do you use? (Subq vs IM)
• Do you use insulin pins or regular?
• What size needle and gauge?
• Preferred areas for the frequency?
• What is the typical volume you’re comfortable with?
• Does the location change for you dependent on the volume?
• Do you preload to save time?
• Do you only do this with HRT or on your blasts as well?

My to do list has me comparing the bloodwork markers with estrogen, total, and free test with twice weekly bolus(larger) shots and daily smaller injections to see if there’s a clinically significant difference.

I’ve been pinning my GH daily with 31g 5/8th slin pins and while smaller needles give less scar tissue, it’s a little bit annoying even with the water based solution so I’m curious of your experiences before I move from 2-3/week to daily with oils.

• SubQ whelps up too often... I now stay shallow IM
• 27g 1/2 inch pin with 1mL syringe
• high in the glute, outer quad or side delts
• 1/2mL is typical
• Ehh not really it is rarely over 1/2mL per pin if so I go from every other day to daily
• No preloading... doesn't save time and the stopped in the syringe can breakdown some if they use EO or similar
• Daily or every other has been what I have done for about 10 years now I think...

 

[nothuman]

This guy just put out a video today challenging the idea that daily shots are better for everyone. I have to say he made some decent points. I know Dr Rand McClain isn’t a fan of frequent injections either.

I’m still gonna do daily for now but curious what people think about the points he makes.

 

[hemipower]

This guy just put out a video today challenging the idea that daily shots are better for everyone. I have to say he made some decent points. I know Dr Rand McClain isn’t a fan of frequent injections either.

I’m still gonna do daily for now but curious what people think about the points he makes.

I just made a change to mostly SHORT esters for this reason... doing daily or every other with test ace/test prop/test enanth. Came out as ~60% fast test/40% slow... I'm on day 2 so no feedback so far but the intent was to create bursts instead of "flat line" feeling... honestly my strength has been great, etc blood work looks flawless but still low to moderate libido... If the mainly fast test doesn't move the needle then I may go back to 2x a week and see. I will say going from daily to every other did feel slightly better but I thought it was placebo because my total weekly was still the same and blood work still looks the same.

Honestly if just getting a bunch of test enanth and doing 2x a week works? Gladly go to that for a while.

 

[ElTigre]

This guy just put out a video today challenging the idea that daily shots are better for everyone. I have to say he made some decent points. I know Dr Rand McClain isn’t a fan of frequent injections either.

I’m still gonna do daily for now but curious what people think about the points he makes.

Thanks for sharing that. I have experienced almost everything he discussed in that video (TRT only) and have seen the results in my labs too.

 

[Sectør]

• What route do you use? (Subq vs IM)
  • IM
• Do you use insulin pins or regular?
  • Regular - 23G 1" to draw, 25G 1" to pin ; been debating switching to 22G to draw just to make some of the higher concentration stuff a little faster
• What size needle and gauge?
  • see above
• Preferred areas for the frequency?
  • Lats, delts, glutes, chest
• What is the typical volume you’re comfortable with?
  • Lats and glutes hold 3ML easy ; Delts I'll do 1ml-1.5ml ; Chest I do 1.5ML (because i just started using this area and still get some virgin muscle pip ; I'm sure It could hold more easily, I'm just using lower volumes atm)
• Does the location change for you dependent on the volume?
  • yes ; see above
• Do you preload to save time?
  • no
• Do you only do this with HRT or on your blasts as well?
  • both

 

[nothuman]

Thanks for sharing that. I have experienced almost everything he discussed in that video (TRT only) and have seen the results in my labs too.

What injection frequency do you feel best on? Out of curiosity, did you notice a lower hematocrit on less shots?

(not that it’s a concern or anything)

 

[ElTigre]

What injection frequency do you feel best on? Out of curiosity, did you notice a lower hematocrit on less shots?

(not that it’s a concern or anything)

That's honestly a tough question to answer at the moment. I have been doing EOD and was starting to question whether or not I should go back to less frequent injections, whether or not the juice was worth the squeeze so to speak...and then I saw that video...which was yet another nudge to move back to less frequent injections. It was almost like he summarized a lot of the little thoughts I have been having on the subject and made a video out of it lol.

I have tried 1x/week, 2x/week, EOD, and daily. I can say definitively that my least successful injection frequency has been daily and I experienced most of the issues described in that video on daily protocols.

I went to daily and EOD injections with the goal of reducing HCT and E2. It had the opposite effect. Keeping weekly doses consistent, my HCT and E2 lab results are higher on more frequent injections vs 1x or 2x/week. Of course I understand that at least with E2, it's possible that the absolute peak could be higher on less frequent injections and I'm just not getting labs done at that point.

Having gone back and forth on this a few times and consistently getting the same results, my opinion is that daily injections are useful to break up injection volumes when larger doses/multiple compounds are used. As far as reducing unwanted side effects and lowering E2 and HCT on a TRT dose, they can be useful IF you also lower the total weekly dose (that approach never worked for me because I find that once I decrease the dose to that point, I no longer get any benefits at all). But keeping weekly doses consistent, daily injections for me do the opposite of what they are touted to do - they reduce benefits, increase side effects, and increase HCT and E2.

 

[buck]

I went from 1x week to daily sub-q and the only real difference was my T levels stay in the low 800's as opposed to going from 1100 2 days post inject down to 450 day of next injection.

 

[hemipower]

Personally once weekly was not good. Higher estro and side effects. Daily may be too often (for long esters). So SHORT esters daily to every other or long esters 2x a week are starting to seem best for me personally. A blend of short/long esters 3x a week is good but I think too even... the peaks and valleys cant be quite as tiny as daily creates for me it seems. Sure blood work looks flawless... but real effect, recovery and strength etc is great, looks as if I am on more than what the total injected amount would suggest for sure. BUT libido dropping down too far is not a welcome effect lol.

 

[cmryan]

That's honestly a tough question to answer at the moment. I have been doing EOD and was starting to question whether or not I should go back to less frequent injections, whether or not the juice was worth the squeeze so to speak...and then I saw that video...which was yet another nudge to move back to less frequent injections. It was almost like he summarized a lot of the little thoughts I have been having on the subject and made a video out of it lol.

I have tried 1x/week, 2x/week, EOD, and daily. I can say definitively that my least successful injection frequency has been daily and I experienced most of the issues described in that video on daily protocols.

I went to daily and EOD injections with the goal of reducing HCT and E2. It had the opposite effect. Keeping weekly doses consistent, my HCT and E2 lab results are higher on more frequent injections vs 1x or 2x/week. Of course I understand that at least with E2, it's possible that the absolute peak could be higher on less frequent injections and I'm just not getting labs done at that point.

Having gone back and forth on this a few times and consistently getting the same results, my opinion is that daily injections are useful to break up injection volumes when larger doses/multiple compounds are used. As far as reducing unwanted side effects and lowering E2 and HCT on a TRT dose, they can be useful IF you also lower the total weekly dose (that approach never worked for me because I find that once I decrease the dose to that point, I no longer get any benefits at all). But keeping weekly doses consistent, daily injections for me do the opposite of what they are touted to do - they reduce benefits, increase side effects, and increase HCT and E2.

And this is with long and short esters? Or just long esters?

 

[nothuman]

That's honestly a tough question to answer at the moment. I have been doing EOD and was starting to question whether or not I should go back to less frequent injections, whether or not the juice was worth the squeeze so to speak...and then I saw that video...which was yet another nudge to move back to less frequent injections. It was almost like he summarized a lot of the little thoughts I have been having on the subject and made a video out of it lol.

I have tried 1x/week, 2x/week, EOD, and daily. I can say definitively that my least successful injection frequency has been daily and I experienced most of the issues described in that video on daily protocols.

I went to daily and EOD injections with the goal of reducing HCT and E2. It had the opposite effect. Keeping weekly doses consistent, my HCT and E2 lab results are higher on more frequent injections vs 1x or 2x/week. Of course I understand that at least with E2, it's possible that the absolute peak could be higher on less frequent injections and I'm just not getting labs done at that point.

Having gone back and forth on this a few times and consistently getting the same results, my opinion is that daily injections are useful to break up injection volumes when larger doses/multiple compounds are used. As far as reducing unwanted side effects and lowering E2 and HCT on a TRT dose, they can be useful IF you also lower the total weekly dose (that approach never worked for me because I find that once I decrease the dose to that point, I no longer get any benefits at all). But keeping weekly doses consistent, daily injections for me do the opposite of what they are touted to do - they reduce benefits, increase side effects, and increase HCT and E2.

It's been years since I have done 2x weekly injections as I have been a daily injector since 2018, but I do think my hematocrit has been higher since becoming a daily injector. My estradiol has definitely been higher on daily injections but I wonder if that's because I was testing my estradiol levels at their trough level when I was doing less frequent injections.

 

[johnjuanb1]

Currently, I do 20mg test prop daily intramuscularly in my legs with a 27 gauge 1/2 inch slin pin. It’s such a small amount I just pick a different spot on one leg each day. I also do 3ius HGH subcutaneously in my love handles with a 31 gauge 5/8 inch slin pin.

 

[nothuman]

Currently, I do 20mg test prop daily intramuscularly in my legs with a 27 gauge 1/2 inch slin pin. It’s such a small amount I just pick a different spot on one leg each day. I also do 3ius HGH subcutaneously in my love handles with a 31 gauge 5/8 inch slin pin.

I do similar but on different parts of my arms or delts each morning, and only a 5/16 inch slin pin needle gets the job done

 

[ElTigre]

And this is with long and short esters? Or just long esters?

Good point. Just long esters.

 

[w8tlifterty]

Personally once weekly was not good. Higher estro and side effects. Daily may be too often (for long esters). So SHORT esters daily to every other or long esters 2x a week are starting to seem best for me personally. A blend of short/long esters 3x a week is good but I think too even... the peaks and valleys cant be quite as tiny as daily creates for me it seems. Sure blood work looks flawless... but real effect, recovery and strength etc is great, looks as if I am on more than what the total injected amount would suggest for sure. BUT libido dropping down too far is not a welcome effect lol.

This has been an interesting thread. For the past many years I’ve done the 10-20mg enan or cyp pinned daily. It’s works okay enough and bloodwork is generally good.

But, back when I first started trt I was doing 10mg-15mg test suspension or no ester every day. Probably best I ever felt on test. Just couldn’t keep estrogen down without an ai. I avoid those at all cost. So, I’ve settled on the long esters daily. But, I remember feeling a better overall sense of well being on test suspension. Now, I was also ten years younger… nevertheless, I often think of running it again but hate running an ai long term.

I’d like to try test acetate e3d or so… heard positive feedback on this particular ester. Guys who run it, seem to love it

 

[madg]

This has been an interesting thread. For the past many years I’ve done the 10-20mg enan or cyp pinned daily. It’s works okay enough and bloodwork is generally good.

But, back when I first started trt I was doing 10mg-15mg test suspension or no ester every day. Probably best I ever felt on test. Just couldn’t keep estrogen down without an ai. I avoid those at all cost. So, I’ve settled on the long esters daily. But, I remember feeling a better overall sense of well being on test suspension. Now, I was also ten years younger… nevertheless, I often think of running it again but hate running an ai long term.

I’d like to try test acetate e3d or so… heard positive feedback on this particular ester. Guys who run it, seem to love it

I knew a guy here

Around 100kg shreded

He was do 20 mg test susp 50 mg tren susp ed

Im intrigued by suspension too i have thought about it many times

It kind of mimics bodys release wheres long ester is the oposite of body release

I do ed buthave done 1x week also

Tbh no diference for me i do ed cause alin pins and low inject volume

 

[hemipower]

This has been an interesting thread. For the past many years I’ve done the 10-20mg enan or cyp pinned daily. It’s works okay enough and bloodwork is generally good.

But, back when I first started trt I was doing 10mg-15mg test suspension or no ester every day. Probably best I ever felt on test. Just couldn’t keep estrogen down without an ai. I avoid those at all cost. So, I’ve settled on the long esters daily. But, I remember feeling a better overall sense of well being on test suspension. Now, I was also ten years younger… nevertheless, I often think of running it again but hate running an ai long term.

I’d like to try test acetate e3d or so… heard positive feedback on this particular ester. Guys who run it, seem to love it

Yes there is something positive to the short esters for me for sure... a sponsor here has test acetate, test base (oil) and test propionate...(separately) that I am trying different blends of...

Thinking to do every other day with ace/prop mixed up... I've been on enan/cyp blend for years, daily or every other. Levels are too "flat" I think... just because it looks good on blood work/paper doesn't mean it feels right. Currently trying a mainly fast blend of 40mg ace/40mg prop/60 mg enanth at around 40-50mg every other day and I can tell libido is on it's way back mid week 2! Plan to try just ace or prop only a while after... or potentially mix half test base/half test ace or prop whatever I have left with a short ester. I bet that combo is best... base for the immediate spike with a morning pre workout shot (a few hours) while prop or ace carry through the day... daily low dose, maybe every other.

I am with you though... no ai. Primo helps keep estrogen down nicely. Around 180 test/100 primo... (weekly total).

 

[primobolan]

Have been on scripted trt for about 10 years at 150mg per week. Experimented quit a bit with frequency. I have found every day dosing and the flat-lining effect a bad choice for me as far feeling good, mental clarity, motivation and E2. The blood work is fine but for whatever reason it is not a good choice for me individually. Switched back to a monday/thursday protocal. Arimidex is used at 0.25mg based on feel and not a targeted number. Funny enough I use morning wood as an indicator as well as emotional state, and mental clarity. E2 does effect me all physically but is a mental mind fuck.

I really enjoy reading about the individuality of protocols and just how unique everyone really is when it comes to the human body. This is all the more reason to avoid at all costs influencers, etc you preach a one size fits all approach as nothing could be further from the truth. I think this is where the whole AI demonization started and really fucked up a lot of guys who either completely crashed their levels or have lived with elevated levels and the effects that it can cause. I could never handle daily prop injects the pain the propionate ester causes me I would be skipping, putting of shots all the time. Good thread.