High BP and AAS?

[TooPowerful4u]

Im not breaking any rules or looking for cycle design. Have a friend who is about 6'4 200lbs...but wants to lean out a little, get back into martial arts, and put on maybe 10-15lbs. Hes lifetime clean and worked out all his life...38yrs old...so obviously the first one is going to work very well........problem is he has high blood pressure and is on Kalan SR for it. Now, what could he take, and what precautions would he need to take (additional supplementation?) to where it will not effect his BP? What is the rundown on precautions, doses, things to look for, etc.... as far as jumping on cycle and avoiding BP complications?

 

[b-boy]

T.P. if he has a blood pressure problem then i wouldn't touch AAS if I were him. He can achieve what he wants naturaly its just going to take some time and actually if he's been in the gym that long it shouldn't take him long at all to achieve his goals physique and performance wise!

 

[Paul Bunyan]

If he can resolve the BP issue to the point where he needs no meds for that then he would be fine. There is something there that's causing his BP to be elevated. It may be diet, exercise, nutritional status, stress or any combination of these. For myself, more cardio lowers my BP along with watching my carb and sodium intake.

Has he been exercising on a regular basis? If so, what type of exercise and how intense? When was the last time he had a full physical and blood work? What do the results of the blood work look like? I'm asking a lot of questions. Not because I have the answer to all of them but he needs to think about all of them.

PB

 

[inoverdrive]

I think he can manipulate his diet for this. Plus for the extra lean muscle he could try dc training. Im with everyone else. If he has high bp then stay away.

 

[AWN2004]

Ditto.

High BP is the true silent killer. Not to mention at age 38, all that extra stress on his kidneys and heart would not be worth the risk. I'm qurious to know what his BP is now on meds.

 

[TooPowerful4u]

I think his BP problems are stress related. It shoots up when hes stressed, but other than that...remains normal on his meds. Why is it that AAS raise blood pressure? I thought it was water retention and aromatization issues? What about something like anavar or primo?

I disagree that he can add that 10-15lbs naturally. If hes been at this for 20yrs and lifts pretty hard with his workout partner....10-15lbs of muscle is ALOT of muscle...thats not comin easy and probably not at all if it hasnt already after all this time. He hates to eat also, which is another problem (one that i dont think hes willing to change). First cycle is always the best, so im sure hed get what he wants out of the first one and not really need to do it again, even with the shitty diet.

 

[Jarconis]

why not throw him on 250-400mg of test a week, thats pretty much a side effect free cycle right there

 

[bigshadow]

Hi Toopoo,

I have high bp as well and have cycled prohormones for a year or two. These always raise my bp. The weight I've added has also attributed to this as well (I think). That is just my opinion. It could be genetic. Could be diet. Could be lack of cardio. Etc...

Typically, I like to run my bp around 115-120/ 65-70 range when off of all prohormones and on my bp med. If I stack a couple of prohormones it can get as high as 135-140/80-90 during the eight week cycle I'm on. I've heard the bloating attributes to the increase in bp, but also could come from a thickening of the blood and RBC counts, etc... some of the guys were just talking about this on the board.

Truthfully though, having gone from 220lbs to 250ish pounds I've had to double my bp med.

 

[TooPowerful4u]

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[JohnnyPro]

I have high BP but when I do cardio that usually brings it down. His other option is medication.

 

[LiftHard410]

He hates to eat also, which is another problem (one that i dont think hes willing to change). First cycle is always the best, so im sure hed get what he wants out of the first one and not really need to do it again, even with the shitty diet.

He could probably gain 10-15 pounds with gear but there is no way he will keep it if he doesn't eat enough calories to sustain the new mass...
calories in = calories out

 

[red5260]

won't eat??

if he is not willing to eat more, nothing will ever happen. You MUST eat to grow.

 

[TooPowerful4u]

if he is not willing to eat more, nothing will ever happen. You MUST eat to grow.

Untrue. Iv seen people not eat and juice up...you wont be HUGE....but you will certainly grow...especially if its your first cycle....

 

[Boo]

I think his BP problems are stress related. It shoots up when hes stressed, but other than that...remains normal on his meds. Why is it that AAS raise blood pressure? I thought it was water retention and aromatization issues? What about something like anavar or primo?

I disagree that he can add that 10-15lbs naturally. If hes been at this for 20yrs and lifts pretty hard with his workout partner....10-15lbs of muscle is ALOT of muscle...thats not comin easy and probably not at all if it hasnt already after all this time. He hates to eat also, which is another problem (one that i dont think hes willing to change). First cycle is always the best, so im sure hed get what he wants out of the first one and not really need to do it again, even with the shitty diet.

One reason is because of the increased red blood cell production which occurs while on AAS. An increase in RBC's equates to thicker blood which is harder to move through the system, placing greater demands on the heart to do it's job.

Boo

 

[billybob]

In my personal experience, nothing seems to keep the bp down like regular cardio. It's amazingly better than a basketful of ACE-inhibs, diuretics, calcium channel blockers, and beta blockers (ick).

Each of the drugs above has some side affects, although diuretics are probably the best for a musclehead for a variety of reasons, and, generally, considered the first course of treatment, by most medical folks.

By doing regular cardio, I can drop my bp 20 points, and pound the tren...without it...no can do. I'm completely off all my bp meds at the doctor's insistance. I suppose it has something to do with vasodilation. NOX2 seems to help, too.

For a juicehead, with mounds of muscles, there's really no hope of getting your bp down to 115 (the new standard) / 75. Just ain't gonna' happen, and, my doctor told me not to worry about it.

We've (the doc and I) have had some talks about being juice with mild hypertension (which I'd have anyway), versus being old, fat, and miserable. You know what? Being juiced wins every time.

 

[JohnnyPro]

Untrue. Iv seen people not eat and juice up...you wont be HUGE....but you will certainly grow...especially if its your first cycle....

You're right, I was dieting the whole time I was on my last cycle, and I was still putting on muscle and losing fat at the same time. I think most people eat too much trying to get big, and they don't need that much so they end up putting on a lot of fat in the process. Overeating can also give you that big bloated belly look.

 

[oldfella]

I think his BP problems are stress related. It shoots up when hes stressed, but other than that...remains normal on his meds. Why is it that AAS raise blood pressure? I thought it was water retention and aromatization issues? What about something like anavar or primo?

I disagree that he can add that 10-15lbs naturally. If hes been at this for 20yrs and lifts pretty hard with his workout partner....10-15lbs of muscle is ALOT of muscle...thats not comin easy and probably not at all if it hasnt already after all this time. He hates to eat also, which is another problem (one that i dont think hes willing to change). First cycle is always the best, so im sure hed get what he wants out of the first one and not really need to do it again, even with the shitty diet.

SO in one breath you say you don't think he can gain 10-15lbs of lean mass wothout some enhancement, and then in the next statement you tell us he hates to eat........TP you are more experienced than this!! Of course he can gain 10-15 without gear...............It is his diet that has had him stuck. C'mon bro.........this is silly. He has high bp and gear is only going to make this worse. I'm with the majority here. He should not do any gear!! He should get with you for some hard core training and teach him how to eat.......that's what he should do!!