Highest primo was it worth it?

[Zamun]

I should retract that statement as I've never ran Mast over 400 a week.

401 is where it shines.

 

[trainlikeaboss]

Maybe @concreter can chime in I seem to remember him saying he was a fan and ran it quite a bit

 

[juggy38]

last year I got a hard on for Chavez and victor black making cool IG thumbnails….I was like hell, maybe DHts as the anchor would work just as good as the staples…

Umm….I got looked good in the mirror weeks 3-4. Week 6/7/8 my knees were glass, libido down a little. (Granted, last year I was rock climbing, training for a 1/2 Ironman, all kinds of stupid shit). And week 16 I had lost maybe 1-2% body fat and bodyweight held steady. And my HDL was like 23.

So let’s say 3-4lbs of fat free mass, some of which was intra cellular water from the high dose. Very underwhelming for 600-700mg primo for a long cycle.

I’ve retired primo to my AI shelf. Primo is now my injectable AI for cruises. 150mg/75mg primo E5D.

Caveat: I’m a low test (250-400) guy. I think primo would have a place if you’re pushing Test to 1g+. Then sure, you get additional weak anabolic+decent AI drug.

 

[Mufasa123]

last year I got a hard on for Chavez and victor black making cool IG thumbnails….I was like hell, maybe DHts as the anchor would work just as good as the staples…

Umm….I got looked good in the mirror weeks 3-4. Week 6/7/8 my knees were glass, libido down a little. (Granted, last year I was rock climbing, training for a 1/2 Ironman, all kinds of stupid shit). And week 16 I had lost maybe 1-2% body fat and bodyweight held steady. And my HDL was like 23.

So let’s say 3-4lbs of fat free mass, some of which was intra cellular water from the high dose. Very underwhelming for 600-700mg primo for a long cycle.

I’ve retired primo to my AI shelf. Primo is now my injectable AI for cruises. 150mg/75mg primo E5D.

Caveat: I’m a low test (250-400) guy. I think primo would have a place if you’re pushing Test to 1g+. Then sure, you get additional weak anabolic+decent AI drug.

Similar here. I've now run three 20 week primo cycles at 600mg. Hits my hdl decently (similar to yours mid 20s), rest of bloods are fine. Nice aesthetics but I can get that elsewhere too. For real progress made I can run a much shorter cycle - say 6 week of 200mg tren a and do the same. Hdl hit will be similar and a few things off very slightly but cost/pins/time/results... makes primo less interesting.

Hit my E2 as well on 600 primo/500 test but I just didn't use an AI and I was in range mostly and no pain. Equipoise is E2 doom for me. Kills it fast and hard. Need to run a shit ton of test like 2:1 minimum so defeats the purpose for me as that's a lot of test for fairly minimal equipoise use.

 

[Golden]

last year I got a hard on for Chavez and victor black making cool IG thumbnails….I was like hell, maybe DHts as the anchor would work just as good as the staples…

Umm….I got looked good in the mirror weeks 3-4. Week 6/7/8 my knees were glass, libido down a little. (Granted, last year I was rock climbing, training for a 1/2 Ironman, all kinds of stupid shit). And week 16 I had lost maybe 1-2% body fat and bodyweight held steady. And my HDL was like 23.

So let’s say 3-4lbs of fat free mass, some of which was intra cellular water from the high dose. Very underwhelming for 600-700mg primo for a long cycle.

I’ve retired primo to my AI shelf. Primo is now my injectable AI for cruises. 150mg/75mg primo E5D.

Caveat: I’m a low test (250-400) guy. I think primo would have a place if you’re pushing Test to 1g+. Then sure, you get additional weak anabolic+decent AI drug.

I heard on the drugs n stuff podcast recently Dave crossland saying Broderick himself said that the push for low test and high primo / mast has gone too far and now is setting many up for potential heart attacks!

 

[pickapeck]

last year I got a hard on for Chavez and victor black making cool IG thumbnails….I was like hell, maybe DHts as the anchor would work just as good as the staples…

Umm….I got looked good in the mirror weeks 3-4. Week 6/7/8 my knees were glass, libido down a little. (Granted, last year I was rock climbing, training for a 1/2 Ironman, all kinds of stupid shit). And week 16 I had lost maybe 1-2% body fat and bodyweight held steady. And my HDL was like 23.

So let’s say 3-4lbs of fat free mass, some of which was intra cellular water from the high dose. Very underwhelming for 600-700mg primo for a long cycle.

I’ve retired primo to my AI shelf. Primo is now my injectable AI for cruises. 150mg/75mg primo E5D.

Caveat: I’m a low test (250-400) guy. I think primo would have a place if you’re pushing Test to 1g+. Then sure, you get additional weak anabolic+decent AI drug.

I think this is pretty much exactly my experience Juggy.

 

[Mufasa123]

I heard on the drugs n stuff podcast recently Dave crossland saying Broderick himself said that the push for low test and high primo / mast has gone too far and now is setting many up for potential heart attacks!

I think the "influencer" crowd's need to come up with novel, revolutionary, and wow purely conceptual ideas around drugs that have been in broad use for 50 years is part of the problem. Not pointing a finger at any one in particular.

I mean the fact that no one does it in 50 years and claims success despite this population's proclivity to try anything and everything...that's called a clue. Then again for the 165lbs kid on cycle 2, I'm sure it works great...because everything works great in that scenario.

 

[juggy38]

I think the "influencer" crowd's need to come up with novel, revolutionary, and wow purely conceptual ideas around drugs that have been in broad use for 50 years is part of the problem. Not pointing a finger at any one in particular.

I mean the fact that no one does it in 50 years and claims success despite this population's proclivity to try anything and everything...that's called a clue. Then again for the 165lbs kid on cycle 2, I'm sure it works great...because everything works great in that scenario.

Test/deca or EQ…grow

Test/tren/mast….diet.

That’s just boring.

Hell, I’d almost just say test+insulin+gh. offseason, test+tren diet. Everything else is just sprinkles and icing. (Except for the pre contest weeks, then yea your gonna need the mast/winny/halo to get dickskin dry.

 

[Virtuous]

Test/deca or EQ…grow

Test/tren/mast….diet.

That’s just boring.

Hell, I’d almost just say test+insulin+gh. offseason, test+tren diet. Everything else is just sprinkles and icing. (Except for the pre contest weeks, then yea your gonna need the mast/winny/halo to get dickskin dry.

Nailed it.

It’s fun to experiment to a degree, but the proliferation of wacky protocols is broadly a symptom of loads of casuals having access to gear, and falling in love with drugs more than the discipline and work.

The reality is that a kid with a couple grand to spare can cycle heavy for a year, and half ass it in the gym/kitchen, and look decent at 180 lbs compared to natty dudes.

The real money is this game isn’t coaching high level competitors or winning competitions/getting sponsors, it’s selling bullshit programs and drugs to the hordes of lazy fucks wanting a shortcut.

 

[Freighttrainwayne]

Because of all the intelligent insight from this board and the dizzying array of outcomes, I also have decided to give primo a try for the first time in 30 years in the game. Waiting until summer when I’m really tight to institute it

 

[Palifter]

I recently ran primo at 1g along with 1g test. First time using primo and I loved the look and feel on it. The combo also kept my E2 in check with zero AI usage. Side free cycle for me.

 

[Freighttrainwayne]

I recently ran primo at 1g along with 1g test. First time using primo and I loved the look and feel on it. The combo also kept my E2 in check with zero AI usage. Side free cycle for me.

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Holy shit. Ur fukn delts made my eyes water! Good for you

 

[pistonpump]

I recently ran primo at 1g along with 1g test. First time using primo and I loved the look and feel on it. The combo also kept my E2 in check with zero AI usage. Side free cycle for me.

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Fuck bro is this current man? You're looking like a threat!

Primo is a good tool for ai control and some lean gains with minimal sides.

 

[Palifter]

Fuck bro is this current man? You're looking like a threat!

Primo is a good tool for ai control and some lean gains with minimal sides.

Couple months ago. I’m deeper into my off-season now so a little heavier and rounder

 

[Zamun]

last year I got a hard on for Chavez and victor black making cool IG thumbnails….I was like hell, maybe DHts as the anchor would work just as good as the staples…

Umm….I got looked good in the mirror weeks 3-4. Week 6/7/8 my knees were glass, libido down a little. (Granted, last year I was rock climbing, training for a 1/2 Ironman, all kinds of stupid shit). And week 16 I had lost maybe 1-2% body fat and bodyweight held steady. And my HDL was like 23.

So let’s say 3-4lbs of fat free mass, some of which was intra cellular water from the high dose. Very underwhelming for 600-700mg primo for a long cycle.

I’ve retired primo to my AI shelf. Primo is now my injectable AI for cruises. 150mg/75mg primo E5D.

Caveat: I’m a low test (250-400) guy. I think primo would have a place if you’re pushing Test to 1g+. Then sure, you get additional weak anabolic+decent AI drug.

What do you run as your main driver if you keep test that low?

I get the same response from primo. Underwhelming unless I’m using it as an ai. I have to run extremely high test to offset the estrogen suppression so kinda defeats the purpose of primo

 

[juggy38]

What do you run as your main driver if you keep test that low?

I get the same response from primo. Underwhelming unless I’m using it as an ai. I have to run extremely high test to offset the estrogen suppression so kinda defeats the purpose of primo

I do very well with 250mg test, 600mg nandrolone, and titrate mast until my mood and pecker are fully online, usually around 300mg.

I hold much less water on low test + 600mg nandrolone than say 500-600mg test.

But im not the norm. I tolerate nandrolone very well, which is weird, because it’s bigger brother…tren….I become a literal psychopath at 200mg a week.

 

[Zamun]

I do very well with 250mg test, 600mg nandrolone, and titrate mast until my mood and pecker are fully online, usually around 300mg.

I hold much less water on low test + 600mg nandrolone than say 500-600mg test.

But im not the norm. I tolerate nandrolone very well, which is weird, because it’s bigger brother…tren….I become a literal psychopath at 200mg a week.

I’ve never tried nandrolone. Run tren completely fine other than shortness of breath. Does nandrolone wreck your cardio too?

 

[juggy38]

I recently ran primo at 1g along with 1g test. First time using primo and I loved the look and feel on it. The combo also kept my E2 in check with zero AI usage. Side free cycle for me.

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ha good lord. It seems primo does a body good if test is high enough to offset the E2 obliteration. 300 test/600-700 primo I felt like dogshit.

You kinda make me want to give it another go at 450/400 test/primo

 

[Golden]

I’ve never tried nandrolone. Run tren completely fine other than shortness of breath. Does nandrolone wreck your cardio too?

I loved NPP more so than deca. Only thing is it gives me the ‘dark cloud’ syndrome

 

[bigains]

I do very well with 250mg test, 600mg nandrolone, and titrate mast until my mood and pecker are fully online, usually around 300mg.

I hold much less water on low test + 600mg nandrolone than say 500-600mg test.

But im not the norm. I tolerate nandrolone very well, which is weird, because it’s bigger brother…tren….I become a literal psychopath at 200mg a week.

I've done the same doses. I would look dry yet full. I still liked to use Viagra or Cialis to keep my erections up to par though. I felt good for a while, but after 3 months the deca causes me some anhedonia vs mild depression.