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HRT and infertility

sTaTiC

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I've read so many people asking about infertility and using steroids. I've also read most, if not all, replies are not to worry. Well, I just want to inform people that it can shut down production of all sperm. Before I go on, I'd like to say that I have a 5 year old so my problem is not genetic.

3 years or so ago, I was put on HRT. Started at 50mg of test/week and ended up at 150 mgs/week. I recently got married and we've been trying to get pregnant for over a year now. I decided to go and get checked and found out that I had no sperm. Not in the sample they used under the scope or what was left in the rest of the container. Now my doctors said that they have seen the opposite happen and some people have gotten their wives/girlfriends pregnant but in my case, that didn't happen. So the reasoning behind this post is just to inform those that are concerned about this that it can happen. Also, that in most cases, sperm production has come back after stopping Testosterone treatment.

My journey begins and I will keep anyone who is interested updated on my progress.
 

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Go to an ENDO fertility specialist. Get off HRT , HCG +/- Clomid will give u a pretty good chance at becoming a father.
 

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Stay on TRT, just add some HCG and HMG and possibly clomid. In most healthy individuals it will temporarily reverse AAS induced azoogliospermia. Of course TRT will shut down gonadotropin production (LH and FSH) and anyone who told you otherwise is an misinformed.
 

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I was in the same boat as you bro. I had low test
Lh was 1.8
Fsh was 1.9
Test 190

Doc put me on clomid 50mg a day.

Test shot up to 800
Lh.10.4
Fsh 7.6 (high end of normal, stims sperm production)

Swimmers are a plenty with this treatment. Endo wants me to get the wife pregnant before i start trt.

The only side from the clomid was visual tracers.
Estroidal must be checked also. Im on letro from the endo to keep this in check.

Hope this helps out bro
 

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I was in the same boat as you bro. I had low test
Lh was 1.8
Fsh was 1.9
Test 190

Doc put me on clomid 50mg a day.
Nice. How long were you on that protocol when you got those final results?
 

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I've read so many people asking about infertility and using steroids. I've also read most, if not all, replies are not to worry. Well, I just want to inform people that it can shut down production of all sperm. Before I go on, I'd like to say that I have a 5 year old so my problem is not genetic.

3 years or so ago, I was put on HRT. Started at 50mg of test/week and ended up at 150 mgs/week. I recently got married and we've been trying to get pregnant for over a year now. I decided to go and get checked and found out that I had no sperm. Not in the sample they used under the scope or what was left in the rest of the container. Now my doctors said that they have seen the opposite happen and some people have gotten their wives/girlfriends pregnant but in my case, that didn't happen. So the reasoning behind this post is just to inform those that are concerned about this that it can happen. Also, that in most cases, sperm production has come back after stopping Testosterone treatment.

My journey begins and I will keep anyone who is interested updated on my progress.

How old were you when you started using AAS?
 

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what has ur cycle history and years of use looked like out of interest..

very interested in hearing how you go with your quest!
 

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I've read so many people asking about infertility and using steroids. I've also read most, if not all, replies are not to worry. Well, I just want to inform people that it can shut down production of all sperm. Before I go on, I'd like to say that I have a 5 year old so my problem is not genetic.

3 years or so ago, I was put on HRT. Started at 50mg of test/week and ended up at 150 mgs/week. I recently got married and we've been trying to get pregnant for over a year now. I decided to go and get checked and found out that I had no sperm. Not in the sample they used under the scope or what was left in the rest of the container. Now my doctors said that they have seen the opposite happen and some people have gotten their wives/girlfriends pregnant but in my case, that didn't happen. So the reasoning behind this post is just to inform those that are concerned about this that it can happen. Also, that in most cases, sperm production has come back after stopping Testosterone treatment.

My journey begins and I will keep anyone who is interested updated on my progress.
I had the same thing happen to me. I am already a LITTLE older so its not a problem now. I do have a daugher as well. I had to do the therapy on my own to fix it. The fertility place wanted an outrageous amount of money. I got some clomid and some of IPs HMG and had another sample tested worked great.

At the time though we decided not to have anymore children though because of deployments so now I have been clean for a while but I can tell the difference.

I know I should be on HRT according to my blood work but just not worried about it right now while I am deployed good luck for some it does not come back. MM
 

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How old were you when you started using AAS?
I was about 24-25. I'm 37 now

what has ur cycle history and years of use looked like out of interest..

very interested in hearing how you go with your quest!
I started off doing cycles of 8-15 weeks until about 28-29. Then I got on and didn't come off until age 30 where I stopped for awhile. Had my son and then realized that I wasn't feeling motivated. I just felt like crap. Got some blood work and at about 34 was put on HRT. Been feeling great ever since and still occasionally cycle but not like before. I got remarried and the new wife wants to have a baby. When I got checked, I was shocked. Both of us were.
 

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should be completely useless for those with zero endogenous production of either FSH or LH.
I'm not sure exactly how baclofen works for off-label use in protecting HPTA function, so I'm also not sure whether it can restore function after shutdown has already occurred?

Are you SURE about it being useless?
 

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STATIC, have you ever used a dopamine agonist like prami or Cabaser?

There is a connection between dopamine function and HPTA function.

I'll try to dig up a link for you to check out.
 

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STATIC, have you ever used a dopamine agonist like prami or Cabaser?

There is a connection between dopamine function and HPTA function.

I'll try to dig up a link for you to check out.
never used any
 

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I'm not sure exactly how baclofen works for off-label use in protecting HPTA function, so I'm also not sure whether it can restore function after shutdown has already occurred?

Are you SURE about it being useless?
Well, as we know, exogenous AAS hormones will cause a negative feedback loop which will completely halt the production of LH and FSH, the gonadotropin necessary for spermatogenesis. Baclofen can increase the motility and sperm amount, but has no mechanism at the hypothalamus to create or increase levels of gonadotropin, thus no mechanism to allow spermatogenesis. If spermatogenesis is occurring, yes it will encourage fertility to some extent.
 

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STATIC, have you ever used a dopamine agonist like prami or Cabaser?

There is a connection between dopamine function and HPTA function.

I'll try to dig up a link for you to check out.
Again all this guy is trying to do is reverse azoogliospermia. As far as I can tell he has no interest in restoring HPTA function as he is on TRT. In order for spermatogenesis to occur he NEEDS both LH and FSH production (HCG and HMG). Yes high levels of prolactin can encourage infertility but there's no reason to assume his prolactin levels are high as he's not on an 19-nors nor did he say he has a history of hyperprolactinemia. In my opinion a dopamine agonist is not necessary as well unless blood tests show a high level of prolactin for some reason.
 

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Well, as we know, exogenous AAS hormones will cause a negative feedback loop which will completely halt the production of LH and FSH, the gonadotropin necessary for spermatogenesis. Baclofen can increase the motility and sperm amount, but has no mechanism at the hypothalamus to create or increase levels of gonadotropin, thus no mechanism to allow spermatogenesis. If spermatogenesis is occurring, yes it will encourage fertility to some extent.
OK i'd like to retract this to some extent, I didn't read that study nor was I familiar with it before posting. I'm not entirely sure how that translates to humans, or whether it would actually pan out in real life. So Potentially yes I suppose you could try some baclofen to restore some HPTA function, but imo it sounds too good to be true. I'm still believe HMG/HCG and possibly Clomid is your best bet. As it is tried and true and several studies reporting its efficacy in reversing AAS induced azoogliospermia.
 

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