Is there any logical reason to this... triceps recovery

[Phidias]

Most of the time I don't dedicate a full workout to arms, but when I do I usually avoid training the upper body the day after in an attempt to let them recover properly... which "theoretically" would be compromised for bi's if I had rows or pulls done in that session, and for tri's if I were to hit pressing movments.


A few weeks ago however, I did chest the day following my arm workout, and while I was mentally getting ready to not lift my heavier weights due to still fatigued triceps from the day before, to my greatest surprise I did my best perfs ever on barbell decline presses!

Since I got intrigued I then decided to work my back the day after my next arm workout, and then again... besf lifts ever on db rows... my biceps could handle the load.

I've been working out that way since, and my poundages just keep getting heavier or my reps higher... WTF?

Aren't you "supposed" to be weaker in an exercice involving a muscle just worked less 24h ago, ie not fully regenerated?

If any what's the science behind it?

 

[airpendleton23]

That seems exactly opposite of what would make sense . How long have you been training this way now? Are you seeing any difference in size in addition to the increased strength?

I guess if its working keep doing it right...?

 

[TooPowerful4u]

Muscles begin to recover within 24-36hrs. The rest of the recovery time is due to other factors. Actually, i have some of my strongest workouts when my muscle is still slightly sore due to increased ability to FEEL the muscle (mind muscle connection) and thus activate it.

It could also have something to do with you training the muscle, eating well, and the muscle still being in a supercompensated state with glycogen and hydration....(one of the reason a muscle looks fuller for a few days following a workout)

 

[MilitaryMuscle]

Muscles begin to recover within 24-36hrs. The rest of the recovery time is due to other factors. Actually, i have some of my strongest workouts when my muscle is still slightly sore due to increased ability to FEEL the muscle (mind muscle connection) and thus activate it.

yupp me to..... you can really feel the muscle work when your sore, no doubt.

It probably does have something to with what you said, glycogen + hydration is increased do to training the muscle group.

 

[bigfatandugly]

Muscles begin to recover within 24-36hrs. The rest of the recovery time is due to other factors. Actually, i have some of my strongest workouts when my muscle is still slightly sore due to increased ability to FEEL the muscle (mind muscle connection) and thus activate it.

It could also have something to do with you training the muscle, eating well, and the muscle still being in a supercompensated state with glycogen and hydration....(one of the reason a muscle looks fuller for a few days following a workout)

agreed.


BFU

 

[yehhbrotherr]

its really wierd, but i agree with u, ill train my arms/tris, and then do a chest workout, say incline for example, i do better. i think its cos after i workout my arms or tris they get kinda swollen, and when i go down with the bar i think it helps with the weight pressure, cos my arms are bloated, u see what i mean? its wierd tho, sometimes itll be the opposite.....Dunnno.

 

[lionsden]

My view.

I personally think it simply has to do with change, my body seems to react to any thing that differs from my normal routine especially if I have done 2-3 weeks of the same thing, a curve ball to the system seems to ignite my strength levels.

ld.

 

[JETHRO TULL]

My friend, my immediate thought was be careful.

Most of the time I don't dedicate a full workout to arms, but when I do I usually avoid training the upper body the day after in an attempt to let them recover properly... which "theoretically" would be compromised for bi's if I had rows or pulls done in that session, and for tri's if I were to hit pressing movments.


A few weeks ago however, I did chest the day following my arm workout, and while I was mentally getting ready to not lift my heavier weights due to still fatigued triceps from the day before, to my greatest surprise I did my best perfs ever on barbell decline presses!

Since I got intrigued I then decided to work my back the day after my next arm workout, and then again... besf lifts ever on db rows... my biceps could handle the load.

I've been working out that way since, and my poundages just keep getting heavier or my reps higher... WTF?

Aren't you "supposed" to be weaker in an exercice involving a muscle just worked less 24h ago, ie not fully regenerated?

If any what's the science behind it?

I am just thinking the biceps [for example] would be the weak link in heavy barbell rows, right? So let's say that even though you can still lift heavy weight on those basic movements in spite of the fact that you are not fully recovered- if something does give out- let's hope it is not an overloaded, under recovered bicep. You know? That's just a thought from a guy who had to have his bicep reattached! lol. I could simply be a pussy too. lol.

Let me know if that is a totally unrealistic thought and I'll shut my pie-hole!

 

[3BILLS]

i was thinking the same thing jt

 

[TJB]

I am just thinking the biceps [for example] would be the weak link in heavy barbell rows, right? So let's say that even though you can still lift heavy weight on those basic movements in spite of the fact that you are not fully recovered- if something does give out- let's hope it is not an overloaded, under recovered bicep. You know? That's just a thought from a guy who had to have his bicep reattached! lol. I could simply be a pussy too. lol.

Let me know if that is a totally unrealistic thought and I'll shut my pie-hole!

Jethro ~ It sounds like a very valid concern and you are funny as hell...

I have had the same crazy gains and realizations as Phidias is having and I have ideas but no science to back it up other than my belief that the body will absolutely adapt to anything you throw at it. Super-compensation, fight or flight mechanisms, increased nutrient uptake... Very good thread..

 

[TJB]

Muscles begin to recover within 24-36hrs. The rest of the recovery time is due to other factors. Actually, i have some of my strongest workouts when my muscle is still slightly sore due to increased ability to FEEL the muscle (mind muscle connection) and thus activate it.

It could also have something to do with you training the muscle, eating well, and the muscle still being in a supercompensated state with glycogen and hydration....(one of the reason a muscle looks fuller for a few days following a workout)

TP4u ~ What if recovery time for Phidias's arms is only 12 hours or 8? Ideas....

 

[Phidias]

Thanks guys! What everyone wrote, aside from Oldfella , made sense...

 

[TooPowerful4u]

TP4u ~ What if recovery time for Phidias's arms is only 12 hours or 8? Ideas....

Why would recovery time only be 12-8 hours? You mean work out right before bed then again as soon as you wake up with no breakfast (since you should have slept 8hrs)? Or you talkin about training arms in the AM and then chest in the PM? Sounds like just plain stupid if thats the scenario, which i SERIOUSLY doubt. There is no real reasoning or anything intelligent at all behind those scenario's

 

[PHIL HERNON]

TJB

TP4u ~ What if recovery time for Phidias's arms is only 12 hours or 8? Ideas....

Ok, now you are on the right track. I like the way you think.........I was waiting for someone to say this.

 

[buselmo]

TP4u ~ What if recovery time for Phidias's arms is only 12 hours or 8? Ideas....

judging from his physique, i'd say it's about 7 microseconds

 

[BigCanuck]

Ok, now you are on the right track. I like the way you think.........I was waiting for someone to say this.

Double Split Phil ?

 

[MilitaryMuscle]

im very interested in this thread now, im just not up there yet to put up any real useful knowledge.

But would arms recovery time be less, opposed to a bigger muscle group like legs or back? Again this could be invidualistic, on the person, i guess?

 

[JETHRO TULL]

Thanks brother!

Jethro ~ It sounds like a very valid concern and you are funny as hell...

I have had the same crazy gains and realizations as Phidias is having and I have ideas but no science to back it up other than my belief that the body will absolutely adapt to anything you throw at it. Super-compensation, fight or flight mechanisms, increased nutrient uptake... Very good thread..

Of course I think I am hilarious! lol. I laugh all the time.

You know what I suspect about Phidias? I think he's one of those guys that IS able to recover quickly. He's genetically gifted and....works hard no doubt.

I agree good thread!

 

[BigCanuck]

im very interested in this thread now, im just not up there yet to put up any real useful knowledge.

But would arms recovery time be less, opposed to a bigger muscle group like legs or back? Again this could be invidualistic, on the person, i guess?

IMO...not so much recovery time is less, more like carryover effect contributing to muscle growth.Let`s say for example you hit Chest in the AM and Tri`s in the PM.If you`re doing dips,CG benches for your Tri`s the chest is getting hit twice in 8 -12 hours.I don`t know the exact mechanism of how this works,but it does work.Maybe because you`re flushing out Lactic Acid and bringing nutrients into the muscle again.

 

[Phidias]

i'd say it's about 7 microseconds

You must be talking about the duration of my first sexual intercourse...

Can someone please tell me why I never heard of that girl afterwards?

You know what I suspect about Phidias? I think he's one of those guys that IS able to recover quickly. He's genetically gifted and....works hard no doubt.

If I had such awesome genetics I'd look as good as you and Meredith would be mine...