Is this to Muscular for figure?

[HUTCH]

Do you think this girl is too muscular for figure...This caused some controversy this weekend at a show here in AZ...Wondering what you guys think then I'll tell the story behind it...

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[pumpputnam]

Yes...

that's a state show. She has a great physique but at the national level she'll be marked down for being to hard and muscular. That is a fact! One of my clients that is preparing for the Jr USA's is naturally really tight and muscular and I always have to pay attention to her diet to keep her softer.

 

[JETHRO TULL]

WELL MAYBE HER BACK IS HARD...UPPERBODY...

BUT FROM THE WAIST DOWN SHE'S REALLY SOFT IF YOU ASK ME. PRETTY SOFT IN THOSE GLUTES........DID YOU SEE THE IRONMAN FIGURE WINNER? NOT DOWN ON THE CHICK IN THOSE PICS....I THINK SHE LOOKS FINE..I JUST DON'T SEE WHAT THE HECK THE CONTROVERSY WAS ABOUT.

HALCYON DUARTE...THAT GIRL IS IN WICKED SHAPE AND WON THE FIGURE PART OF THE COMPETITION.

NOW THAT'S JUST MY OPINION...NO DISAGREEING WITH PETE! LOL....I JUST LIKE A COMPETITOR TO BE IN A TOUCH BETTER CONDITION THAN THAT.

EDIT: HERE IS A PICTURE OF HER.

 

[AWN2004]

I hate to say this but.....Fuck Arizona and Miles Productions shows. The judging is too wishy washy and I never know who is going to win. Nobody even got their scores from the 05 AZ and they are saying they can't produce them. I wrote Jim Manion over the whole thing as well as Miles and Danielle, the head judge. I just let them know how I felt. Needless to say Im most likely black listed from any more shows in AZ...and to be honest I dont really care. If I ever compete again it will NOT be in AZ.

 

[HUTCH]

the controversy

This girl won the Overall which I totally agree with....As soon as she was announced the overall winner the promoter calls the head Judge over to the side and totally ripps her a new asshole...Then after the show he calls all of us for a meeting ( i was a test judge and didnt even judge the figure portion)..He says that there is no way she should have won the overall or even top 5 in her class...He says he wants the figure winner to be someone that a wife in the stands can say " I can diet for a year or 3 months and look like that"....He was pissed cuz 3 people came up to him and said that this is the reason why their wife wont compete...I thought that this was pure bullshit...The rest of the girls in the overall didnt even have abs..They were just thin nice bodies..He is pissed about 3 people being mad but if she would have lost the whole place would have rioted...

 

[bigbadasian]

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|--[\\\]>-------- i do not think she should hav won! the juding was so inconsistant it wasnt even funny. in one class the smaller, 'less muscular' girl won, then the next class, this girl won..what the hell..it's the same shit every year down here, i know the AZ july show will be the same! one of the judges is an independant at my club and when he walked into today i just said to him staright out "dude the judging sucked ass!" he said he agreed and that he was one of the judges that judged this girl down, but he was out voted.

 

[HUTCH]

|--[\\\]>-------- i do not think she should hav won! the juding was so inconsistant it wasnt even funny. in one class the smaller, 'less muscular' girl won, then the next class, this girl won..what the hell..it's the same shit every year down here, i know the AZ july show will be the same! one of the judges is an independant at my club and when he walked into today i just said to him staright out "dude the judging sucked ass!" he said he agreed and that he was one of the judges that judged this girl down, but he was out voted.

I was test judging but the lady that was sitting next to me was an actually NPC judge and in the middle of the C figure class she leaned over to the judge next to her and asked " whats the difference between figure A, B, C, D, and E"....She was dead serious.....

 

[bigbadasian]

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I was test judging but the lady that was sitting next to me was an actually NPC judge and in the middle of the C figure class she leaned over to the judge next to her and asked " whats the difference between figure A, B, C, D, and E"....She was dead serious.....

|--[\\\]>-------- R u f'ing serious? thts rediculous....this year at least Miles ran the show a little better than previous years, Wham Bam Thank you Mam, type of show...there were just as many classes as previous years but this time he dint waste time...we were out of there by like 1030 right? i remember one year we were there until like 12am!

 

[gooey]

agree ith BBA, AWN

the figure judging was a sham, the women that should have won the overall was totally screwed. Yes the woman who won loox great, but in bodybuilding, she should have dieted down more for that. The crowd was booing thats how bad the judging was. Sad some people who train and diet so hard get the shaft cuz some people do not know how to judge a physique. Their is a uncrowned figure girl out there and she should have won!!


gooster

 

[BuffD]

At a state show you have to look at it as who would do well at the next level. That girl would not be marked down at the National level. She may be a tad too muscular in the upper body but not by much. She could definately compete at the pro level. You can't have a girl win a State show that looks like anyone that diet for a year could like. Then she goes up and gets hammered. It's all about what happens at the next level and are they ready for it.

 

[bigbadasian]

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At a state show you have to look at it as who would do well at the next level. That girl would not be marked down at the National level. She may be a tad too muscular in the upper body but not by much. She could definately compete at the pro level. You can't have a girl win a State show that looks like anyone that diet for a year could like. Then she goes up and gets hammered. It's all about what happens at the next level and are they ready for it.

|--[\\\]>------- But if you looked at her legs too, they were WAY soft...i felt as if there was a HUGE dif. in conditioning from her upper compared to her lower half.

 

[AWN2004]

AZ judging can kiss my hairy bean bag!!! Well the head judge more than anything.....how can I expect them to judge a show right when they cant even keep track of some score sheets??? Im not even arguing that she should not have won or lost...but it was WAY to inconsistant from one class to the next. Ill be waiting to see if the head judge even answers the emails I sent in. Oh and Miles TELLING the judges how to judge just seals the deal. Blah blah blah....what the hell do I know??

 

[HUTCH]

At a state show you have to look at it as who would do well at the next level. That girl would not be marked down at the National level. She may be a tad too muscular in the upper body but not by much. She could definately compete at the pro level. You can't have a girl win a State show that looks like anyone that diet for a year could like. Then she goes up and gets hammered. It's all about what happens at the next level and are they ready for it.

This is EXACTLY how I feel...all those other girls in the overall wouldnt get a second look at USA or Nationals...

 

[HUTCH]

|--[\\\]>------- But if you looked at her legs too, they were WAY soft...i felt as if there was a HUGE dif. in conditioning from her upper compared to her lower half.

Hey I didnt even see you at the contest....I saw balplayer but thats it from here...

 

[Vespa103]

Its kind of silly because your telling them to come in shape but not to good

work out but don't grow

I mean what exactly is the criteria

At least in Fitness I understand when they do a routine to show there athletics

But in Figure what do they do?

 

[Ashop]

Do you think this girl is too muscular for figure...This caused some controversy this weekend at a show here in AZ...Wondering what you guys think then I'll tell the story behind it...

http://www.photoreflect.com/scripts/prsm.dll?eventthumbs?event=30E100321D&b=0&t=-1&start=0&password=

Pushing the edge IMO.

 

[hardbodygrl]

IMO i don't think this girl should have won... Now i dont have much room to talk or judge someone elses body, but this is what i think when i look at this girls picture compared to the girls on the Olympia or Arnold stage.

I dont think she really has balanced physique
She looks good from the front, but thats about all really.... She is hard and muscular in the upper body, but her glutes and hips clearly could have used a few more weeks of dieting. Her arms are a little too muscular i think, she can keep the shoulders, but maybe bring the arm size down a bit.

 

[pumpputnam]

Here is my 2 cents...

The judges have to judge what is in front of them. For example, the girl at the Ironman... look at the rest of the competitors. Mind you I have met this girl and she is super sweet and rather attractive in person, but given a field with more competition at a national level show the out come could be different(the Ironman figure wasn't a national level show even though the overall winner by tradition often does very well on the national level). I know for a fact that the NPC is trying to go for a more mainstream look. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but the NPC does want a softer, yet toned look. You can clearly tell who works out and doesn't, just like you can tell who is too hard(for what ever reason) and those who carry a softer yet toned physique. Out of respect for certain individuals I will not mention names, but I was told this... if a figure athlete even has a hint of drug use in the face then they'll be passed over. I could continue but what's the point. You guys are going to argue. Also, if a local judge has a preference for a harder look then of course they'll go for the girls who show up harder. But in reality this will hinder the direction the NPC desires to go from what I have been told. They then have to make the changes at the national level and many harder local level girls will get looked over just like the one's that show up like bikini models with no muscle and lack conditioning. It's about balance and a pretty face. Sorry guys.

Watch this pattern... the softer yet toned physiques turn pro earlier in the year and the harder girls finally get bumped up from 2nd, 3rd, 4th, to where they have a chance later in the year to turn pro because the judges are judging what's in front of them at that point again, not to mention the overall number of pro cards being rewared for figure. Sure, they turned pro, but how well will they do as a pro?

Here's an analogy... Monica Brant is the "queen", she is gorgeous! I love her look, but as long as she is standing next to Davana, Jenny Lynn, and Mary Elizabeth Lado she gets beat. Even I can't believe it at times as Monica is beautiful and has a great body, but the reality is she's not exactly the representation of what the IFBB wishes to be the absolute top figure girl. Sure some may scream politics, but if you go the route of harder then you have figure girls looking like light-weight bodybuilders competing in figure.

Remember this... it's called "Figure" for a reason. Visit www.ifbb.com and read the definition.

We'll see how the softer Jessfit does at her pro debut at the Pittsburgh Pro May 5th. I'm sure there were many who disagreed with her turning pro... but in 3 shows and over 60 athletes in her classes she took second twice and 1st.

We hope to see some of you guys there as it is an awesome show put on by Mr. Manion. Pittsburgh is a great town and it's good venue!

 

[pumpputnam]

Here is a picture of a balanced physique, not too hard, not too soft, and a pretty face to boot. . .

This is Erin Parrish of Nashville TN. and she is preparing for the Jr. USAs

 

[bigbadasian]

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Hey I didnt even see you at the contest....I saw balplayer but thats it from here...

|--[\\\]>--------- Yeah, i saw you, but everytime i saw you you were busy, i was sitting in the top left (facing stage) in one of those rolling chairs. balplayer was there? AWNS his roomate and he didnt even know he was there?! LOL!