Juiced up in a natural show-

[jahras12]

guys,

sometimes I hear of these stories where people juice up hard, even more than regular untested shows, to do natural shows, and they win these shows. I dont know about you but I feel terrible for the people that bust their ass naturally and get taken from a juiced up athlete that beat the test. I think there should be more stringent testing or natural shows should maybe become nonexistent, what do you think, things like this make me sometimes feel bad for the natural athletes that really put their effort into taking a clean approach to the sport and lose to a cheater.

 

[preist943]

I dont even want to get into whats natural and what isnt . the mere use of the word shouldnt even be used in bodybuilding terms . to me more to the point if you enter a natural show jacked your a fuck tard plain and simple . what has a person like that won ? nothing .

 

[cryptasm]

Fuck tard!! I like that I'm stealing it!!! I agree BTW...why bother

 

[New_Mass]

to me more to the point if you enter a natural show jacked your a fuck tard plain and simple . what has a person like that won ? nothing .

truely agree, when a person does this its because their balls are not there to truely put forth what it takes naturally and show their real competitiveness on that level. If your a true competitor and the show is natural then bang out naturally so you can know what your really capable of ,then if you win, it wont leave a doubt in your mind that the win was truely earned

 

[jerrywear]

mine very first show was natural show,and yes i was natural.anf it was a lot of guys who were all jacked up.and i did talked to them and they told me what they were doing.a lot of time they need to do the show to re-qualify for nationals and the only show before nationals is natural show so here it is.but i know some guys who doing every show in the state,it doesnt matter it is natural or not,and they not.and this is what i dont like.
and at this point i dont really care.

 

[xcelbeyond]

and i did talked to them and they told me what they were doing.a lot of time they need to do the show to re-qualify for nationals and the only show before nationals is natural show

Yea but if it's a Natural "qualifier," doesn't it ONLY qualify you for the "Natural Nationals?" You wouldn't win a Natural qualier and expect to go to the Jr's or USA.

 

[New_Mass]

Yea but if it's a Natural "qualifier," doesn't it ONLY qualify you for the "Natural Nationals?" You wouldn't win a Natural qualier and expect to go to the Jr's or USA.

excellent point by Xcel, but maybe we are missing something and Jerry will help us out by responding to this

 

[bigbadasian]

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|--[[\\\]>--------- I think it's stupid, if you want to do a natty show, be natty! its' like me joining a little league bball team in order to hit home runs!

 

[STORM SHADOW]

These small natural shows don't pull in much money...how they going to do the testing? that's very expensive..and to pass it on the the contestants... well many just won't compete even the naturals...can't afford it ya know? What contestant is going to pay money to be tested with the possibility of losing?

I don't know what the answer is... some peeps are unethical

SS

 

[jahras12]

Good replies guys, but when I hear this I am truly saddened and it kind of hurts me, I dont know why, but I guess im the only one really living in a fantasy world and I got to take a step back and see that people just want to win even if it is not a true win. Imo if your gonna do a show while juicing just do a normal NPC show, how hard is that, at least you can have your pride and dignity even if you place last because you were all on the same playing field.

 

[xcelbeyond]

Imo if your gonna do a show while juicing just do a normal NPC show, how hard is that, at least you can have your pride and dignity even if you place last because you were all on the same playing field.

I was recently talking with a member who only had "natural" shows in his area. In my state, almost all shows have gone to natural. I think a lot has to do with public perception any more - promotors don't think people want to attend shows where competitors are "drugged" up.

 

[dragonfire101]

think there should be more stringent testing or natural shows should maybe become nonexistent, what do you think,

Cant get anymore stringent in my opnion. In my area a drug test and a polygraph are given. The polygrahp is usually given by a memeber of the state police also. Alot of this is pai by the competior. $ 50 for the polygraph. The shows in my area are not that big, at least i dont think so. I guess they feel that they only want seroius competiotiors. You end up paying over $100 just to enter though and even more if your not a member of what federation hosting the show to join the federation to paty to eneter the comp.

 

[jahras12]

I like xcels idea on how saying its a natural show, may bring in more people, which can actually produce more money for the sport,but again its a lie. ... but I never realized until dragonfire said that there arent that many big shows in all the states and some to all may be natural which can hinder somones competition plans. There is a lot of controversy on this topic especially, when I believed that the fame shows are tested and those guys are natural, but i think I am wrong...I live in jersey, and the place I was talking bout was NJ, b/c there are numerous shows in my area, and there are one or two natural shows out of the 10 shows in NJ of the year and some bbers, I have met only compete in the natural shows while cycling to win, this is my gripe, but I guess I just wanted to see what all you had to say.

 

[mark mcgwire]

There was a recent natural show in my area and I was told that they do drug test the winners.

 

[Armageddon]

Yea but if it's a Natural "qualifier," doesn't it ONLY qualify you for the "Natural Nationals?" You wouldn't win a Natural qualier and expect to go to the Jr's or USA.

I don't think so. Reason being is that I've seen this work backwards here in my state. A guy that was a natural pro and did a local show that was a state qualifier and not tested. Pretty big show for my state. Anyhow after the judges and everyone found out that he was a natural pro they told him not to ever show his ass around there again. I was there to witness the show. That was the only "not natural" show that he didn't and he's tried to do or did do the USA's/Nationals. I'm not sure which it was as since this time I no longer go to any of the gyms that these guys go to. I know he came in dead last at whichever one it was though.

 

[ag-guys]

guys,

sometimes I hear of these stories where people juice up hard, even more than regular untested shows, to do natural shows, and they win these shows. I dont know about you but I feel terrible for the people that bust their ass naturally and get taken from a juiced up athlete that beat the test. I think there should be more stringent testing or natural shows should maybe become nonexistent, what do you think, things like this make me sometimes feel bad for the natural athletes that really put their effort into taking a clean approach to the sport and lose to a cheater.

I knew a guy that did "naturals" that was heavy into GH and IGF-1


AG
www.ag-guys.com

 

[joshbarnett]

there was a guy who placed in the top 5 at jr usa's as a heavyweight and i saw in the last NPC mag that he did a natural show and won. what a fucking joke. if thats what u gotta do to win.....

 

[zephyr22]

Urine screening for nat shows....

I call bullshit on at least half of the "natural" shows. Im sure they buy some urine specimen cups and dump the shit out the back door and say "you came up positive" if you appear to be seriously enhanced. What would one say if it was true???? Usually the juiced competitor well just bow out and say "Ok maybe it was the androstenidone" or some shit like that. I have known a guy who was jacked for a nat show.( not cool in my opinion) They tested him from urine screen and said he was negative. I know for a fact because he told me what he was taking. This guy had pretty shitty genetics and was jacked to the gills with hormones. Anyway the moral is it pissed me off that he did that. Go play with the big boys if thats your cup of tea. I did however know a few of the other competitors and they were natural. Now they looked blurry and small but worked there asses off to get beat buy a user. Like I said not cool in my book. The crazy thing is the enhanced guy could only win his weight class and lost the overall hehehheeeh.....I guess it slapped a little reality in his face.

 

[jerrywear]

Yea but if it's a Natural "qualifier," doesn't it ONLY qualify you for the "Natural Nationals?" You wouldn't win a Natural qualier and expect to go to the Jr's or USA.

no actualy Illinois show(natural show)do qualify you for national,and natural naturals.i know its diferent but its true.like i told you the guys who won natural show did jr.nationals that year.so i was confused myself.

 

[SDMan]

I don't think so. Reason being is that I've seen this work backwards here in my state. A guy that was a natural pro and did a local show that was a state qualifier and not tested. Pretty big show for my state. Anyhow after the judges and everyone found out that he was a natural pro they told him not to ever show his ass around there again. I was there to witness the show. That was the only "not natural" show that he didn't and he's tried to do or did do the USA's/Nationals. I'm not sure which it was as since this time I no longer go to any of the gyms that these guys go to. I know he came in dead last at whichever one it was though.

What was the problem here? Were they pissed that he's natural, a pro, or was a member of a competing organization?