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buselmo
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Lately, I have been doing a lot of reading on the digestion and absorption or nutrients and what not. And to be honest, all the information I have found is the exact opposite of the “bro” knowledge we read in forums and boards… well, not the exact opposite, but you know what I mean.
My stomach and intestines are telling me that I’m getting older
… with more experimentation with my dieting and other things, I get more flatulence (some smelly, some not smelly at all), bloating, constipation, loss of appetite, increase appetite, no flatulence, easy bowel movement… etc. it happens on different days, with different foods… etc…
Anyway, let’s see the “bro” logic around eating the “bodybuilding” way…
You either separate you meals into protein+fat and protein+carbs, or you eat a diet with certain macronutrient ratios where you eat all the macronutrients together.
The logic for the first one is that if you eat carbs and fats in the same meal, you will immediately turn into an obese whale!!! Why? Because carbs release insulin, insulin is a storage hormone, fat will be immediately stored as fat and you will get fatter.
The problem I see with this logic is that no one accounted for total calories (so, even if you eat 500 cals below maintenance, you will gain fat… somehow insulin will magically do that), and it is under the assumption that the fact that one of insulin’s main functions is to store fat in fat cells… meaning, the body will not utilize the fatty acids in any way except for storing them. Now, that doesn’t make sense to me.
The second method, which makes more sense somewhat, is eating your macros together. Really, with my experience with exogenous insulin, people only get fat because they have to “slam 10 grams of sugar per iu of slin IMMEDIATELY after administration, and then slam another 10 grams of complex carbs per iu of insulin 1 hour later”… basically, they are saying that eating 800 calories worth of carbs if they injected 10 iu of slin in one hour (not including the protein and fats they consumed) is NOT the reason they got fat, but infact, it was the 7 grams of fat they consumed in that 1 hour that immediately got stored as fat and insulin somehow magically “inhibited” fat loss. Yeah, ok. Anyway, eating the macros together makes more sense BUT!!!! We are not taking into account the effects of digestion environments, and enzymes needed to digest food.
First of all, protein needs an acidic environment to digest… carbs and fats would need an alkaline environment to digest. now, the effects of mixing all nutrients together, or separating P/F from P/C can be seen in any bodybuilder.. gas, bloating, constipation, not absorbing nutrients properly.
We are missing the big picture here… we are assuming that amino acids remain in the blood stream for 3 seconds then they disappear, so we have add carbs to “store” them by releasing insulin, but when we eat them with fat instead of carbs, it will slow absorption and won’t cause fat gain due to insulin being inactive and all sorts of nonsense.
Anyway, since I have been having problems with my stomach lately, and I truly stopped believing in the whole “you need 15 metric tons of protein per lb of bodyweight to grow”, I will try something new after my contests and report back within a couple of months from trying it. These are the guidelines I’ll follow:
Protein will be at 1 gram per lb of bodyweight + 20 grams (to account for new muscle I want to add)
Protein will be eaten first, then 1 hour later, I will eat my carbs and fats
I won’t drink any fluids (only sips) while eating my food to not disturb the ph of my natural digestive environments, but will only drink fluids 1 hour before or after meals.
I will mix my protein powder with as little water as possible (4 oz or so)
I will chew my food thoroughly! And not swallow it the minute I put it in my mouth like a starving lunatic.
Again, this is just thinking out loud and sharing my thoughts to discuss if anyone has any input. I will be done with my contests in mid may (if I don’t quit early) and will report back in mid june or so.
My stomach and intestines are telling me that I’m getting older
… with more experimentation with my dieting and other things, I get more flatulence (some smelly, some not smelly at all), bloating, constipation, loss of appetite, increase appetite, no flatulence, easy bowel movement… etc. it happens on different days, with different foods… etc… Anyway, let’s see the “bro” logic around eating the “bodybuilding” way…
You either separate you meals into protein+fat and protein+carbs, or you eat a diet with certain macronutrient ratios where you eat all the macronutrients together.
The logic for the first one is that if you eat carbs and fats in the same meal, you will immediately turn into an obese whale!!! Why? Because carbs release insulin, insulin is a storage hormone, fat will be immediately stored as fat and you will get fatter.
The problem I see with this logic is that no one accounted for total calories (so, even if you eat 500 cals below maintenance, you will gain fat… somehow insulin will magically do that), and it is under the assumption that the fact that one of insulin’s main functions is to store fat in fat cells… meaning, the body will not utilize the fatty acids in any way except for storing them. Now, that doesn’t make sense to me.
The second method, which makes more sense somewhat, is eating your macros together. Really, with my experience with exogenous insulin, people only get fat because they have to “slam 10 grams of sugar per iu of slin IMMEDIATELY after administration, and then slam another 10 grams of complex carbs per iu of insulin 1 hour later”… basically, they are saying that eating 800 calories worth of carbs if they injected 10 iu of slin in one hour (not including the protein and fats they consumed) is NOT the reason they got fat, but infact, it was the 7 grams of fat they consumed in that 1 hour that immediately got stored as fat and insulin somehow magically “inhibited” fat loss. Yeah, ok. Anyway, eating the macros together makes more sense BUT!!!! We are not taking into account the effects of digestion environments, and enzymes needed to digest food.
First of all, protein needs an acidic environment to digest… carbs and fats would need an alkaline environment to digest. now, the effects of mixing all nutrients together, or separating P/F from P/C can be seen in any bodybuilder.. gas, bloating, constipation, not absorbing nutrients properly.
We are missing the big picture here… we are assuming that amino acids remain in the blood stream for 3 seconds then they disappear, so we have add carbs to “store” them by releasing insulin, but when we eat them with fat instead of carbs, it will slow absorption and won’t cause fat gain due to insulin being inactive and all sorts of nonsense.
Anyway, since I have been having problems with my stomach lately, and I truly stopped believing in the whole “you need 15 metric tons of protein per lb of bodyweight to grow”, I will try something new after my contests and report back within a couple of months from trying it. These are the guidelines I’ll follow:
Protein will be at 1 gram per lb of bodyweight + 20 grams (to account for new muscle I want to add)
Protein will be eaten first, then 1 hour later, I will eat my carbs and fats
I won’t drink any fluids (only sips) while eating my food to not disturb the ph of my natural digestive environments, but will only drink fluids 1 hour before or after meals.
I will mix my protein powder with as little water as possible (4 oz or so)
I will chew my food thoroughly! And not swallow it the minute I put it in my mouth like a starving lunatic.
Again, this is just thinking out loud and sharing my thoughts to discuss if anyone has any input. I will be done with my contests in mid may (if I don’t quit early) and will report back in mid june or so.
