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Leg extensions AND squats?

Scrawny1

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I have always done leg extentions as a warm up before squats. Lately, I have been adding weight and reps to my leg extensions, and maybe fatiguing my legs so much, that I don't squat as heavy as I could have.

Do you think that heavy leg extensions is a redundant execise when paired with squats?

Or should I just keep on increasing the wight in both exercises.

Thanks.
 

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you can use leg extensions as a pre-exhaust for your quads, so you won't be able to go as heavy in squats.
 

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Well are you trying to get a heavier squat, or larger quads? How do they look now?

If it doesnt really matter and you are making progress then Id say do what doesnt make your knees hurt lol. My quads really took off when I tired them somewhat before any kind of squats or presses.
 

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Warm up by doing 10-20 minutes on the bike first, then go straight to squat. I don't like to pre-exhaust my legs before squats, why take away from the best leg exercise? After squats I will superset extensions and curls to burn them out, or do deadlifts. After that I can't walk anymore.
 

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you can use leg extensions as a pre-exhaust for your quads, so you won't be able to go as heavy in squats.

I run 2 miles for a warmup..

Weighted crunches..

Then 3 sets of leg extensions..

Then 3 sets of squats.


I guess a better question would have been:

Will I see better results if I pre-exhaust then squat relatively lighter?

Or if I squat while I'm fresh, and go heavier?



Thanks for the replies!
 

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I have always done leg extentions as a warm up before squats. Lately, I have been adding weight and reps to my leg extensions, and maybe fatiguing my legs so much, that I don't squat as heavy as I could have.

Do you think that heavy leg extensions is a redundant execise when paired with squats?

Or should I just keep on increasing the wight in both exercises.

Thanks.
Can be!! But, you know what I think helps with squats is some warm-ups sets on the lying leg curl machine before squatting...my squatting always seems to go better when I do this!
 

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only thing I consider important is making gains on squats. all other leg movements can fuck off (other than OH press Squat thats beautiful).

If I am adding 2-3 reps or 5-10lb every workout then I am happy and my legs progressively look better (given that bodyfat is held in check).
 

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One person you should look into is Tom Platz and his style of using the leg extensions.
 

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Leg extensions don't warm you up for a squat. A proper warmup will be dynamic movements and hip mobility work.. NOT sitting on the bike or doing leg extensions...
 

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Can be!! But, you know what I think helps with squats is some warm-ups sets on the lying leg curl machine before squatting...my squatting always seems to go better when I do this!
X2 this...I find this warms up the squatting muscles.
 

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leg extensions are a complete waste of time and energy. you want to do another exercise after squats then throw in a set or two of front squats.
 

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or some unilateral work like split squats or BB lunges. I am finding that I have a dominant leg so bringing up the weak leg will hopefully drive my squat up heavier.
 

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I run 2 miles for a warmup..

Weighted crunches..

Then 3 sets of leg extensions..

Then 3 sets of squats.


I guess a better question would have been:

Will I see better results if I pre-exhaust then squat relatively lighter?

Or if I squat while I'm fresh, and go heavier?


Thanks for the replies!

I would say whether you are going for size or strength, this is not the best way to do either. Running and crunches should be out of there if your focus is leg strength and/or size.
 

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If you want to squat and do leg ext on the same day why not alternate. One week squat first, the next do leg ext first...or do squat first for 2 weeks then ext first for 2 weeks. Something like that. That way you're not always fatigued before squats.
 

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you can use leg extensions as a pre-exhaust for your quads, so you won't be able to go as heavy in squats.
Yes your right,,,its the pre-exhaust method basically. If you think it effects your squats in a negative way you should do your squats first and finish with leg extensions.
 

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I have always done leg extentions as a warm up before squats. Lately, I have been adding weight and reps to my leg extensions, and maybe fatiguing my legs so much, that I don't squat as heavy as I could have.

Do you think that heavy leg extensions is a redundant execise when paired with squats?

Or should I just keep on increasing the wight in both exercises.

Thanks.
Hello, about some weeks ago i started my legs with
9 sets of decline leg press
4 sets of squads
4 sets of leg extensions
every week i've added more weight and my quads are showing more size
 

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my opinion

Warm up by doing 10-20 minutes on the bike first, then go straight to squat. I don't like to pre-exhaust my legs before squats, why take away from the best leg exercise? After squats I will superset extensions and curls to burn them out, or do deadlifts. After that I can't walk anymore.
Properly performed, which they seldom if ever are now-a-days,
using leg extensions immediately prior to squats could be a god-
send, depending on how you are wired.

That sequence of exercises is capable of making far greater inroads
and will stimulate your quads in a very safe and effective fashion
without breaking your back in the meantime or subjecting it to
potentially dangerous loads. The pump / burn and the resulting
growth if you have it in you, must be experienced to be believed.
And for those people who have trouble standing up after a set of
squats . . . well . . . you will have problems laying down after doing
these.

But you have to know how to do them, you can’t over-do them,
and you must check your ego at the door. (Not many people are
capable of all three of these things.)

leg extensions are a complete waste of time and energy. you want to do another exercise after squats then throw in a set or two of front squats.
If this means anything to you . . . I wish you could have seen
a guy I used to train with eons ago. Never did ANYTHING, ever
for his legs except leg extensions, and he did more sets of them
than I cared to count. And he had huge, thick, cut, vascular
quads. Probably the best quads I had seen on a non-Pro.

So while they might not “work” for everybody, they sure as hell
worked for him.
 

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[/QUOTE]If this means anything to you . . . I wish you could have seen
a guy I used to train with eons ago. Never did ANYTHING, ever
for his legs except leg extensions, and he did more sets of them
than I cared to count. And he had huge, thick, cut, vascular
quads. Probably the best quads I had seen on a non-Pro.

So while they might not “work” for everybody, they sure as hell
worked for him.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Alfresco....I will have to rethink my opinion on this and perhaps even try it myself for 6-8 weeks to see what happens.
 

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Properly performed, which they seldom if ever are now-a-days,
using leg extensions immediately prior to squats could be a god-
send, depending on how you are wired.

That sequence of exercises is capable of making far greater inroads
and will stimulate your quads in a very safe and effective fashion
without breaking your back in the meantime or subjecting it to
potentially dangerous loads. The pump / burn and the resulting
growth if you have it in you, must be experienced to be believed.
And for those people who have trouble standing up after a set of
squats . . . well . . . you will have problems laying down after doing
these.

But you have to know how to do them, you can’t over-do them,
and you must check your ego at the door. (Not many people are
capable of all three of these things.)



If this means anything to you . . . I wish you could have seen
a guy I used to train with eons ago. Never did ANYTHING, ever
for his legs except leg extensions, and he did more sets of them
than I cared to count. And he had huge, thick, cut, vascular
quads. Probably the best quads I had seen on a non-Pro.

So while they might not “work” for everybody, they sure as hell
worked for him.
You are assuming its all the leg extensions. Lets look at what is wrong with them from a biomechanical standpoint.

The ACL is loaded via Tibiofemoral forces throughout the entire ROM. This is not really good for knee health. They also increase lateral patellar pull which = bad since the vast majority of people are already laterally very tight. They also increase rectus femoris activity when the rectus femoris is already such an overworked muscle and a cause of a lot of knee pain for a lot of lifters it doesn't need extra work.. \

Another interesting thing about leg extentions is that research shows they delay the firing of the VMO. This is very bad for knee health, since VMO recruitment and rapid firing is very important in knee health.

Theres more but I'll just leave this here. The majority of top strength coaches in the world will never have an athlete or olympic lifter ever touch a leg ext machine. Theres no correlation to leg extensions increasing squat power, considering squats are mainly glute/ham/hip strength.
 

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