MY POST CYCLE PCT - IS THIS OVERKILL ?

[worldspan]

Finishing up 12 week cycle and planning PCT as follows: Question is, Am I doing too much here, don't want to waste stuff, on other hand want to do everthing possible to retain gains. Here's the plan:

1. Nolvadex - 20 mg per day
2. Clen - 60 mg per day 5 days per week (length undetermined)
3. Growth - 3ius per day, 5 days per week
4. Clomid - 300 mg 1st day, 150 mgs 2-4th days, 100 mgs 5-14 days, 50 mgs
15-28th days
5. Creatine/Glutamine - reintroduce 10 grams two times daily each item
6. HCG - 2500 ius 1st/2nd/3rd/4th weeks
7. T3 - 25 mg a day 2 on one off 5 weeks
8. Dbol - 10 mg in a.m. daily 6 weeks

Feedback is appreciated!

Worldspan

 

[Tman2002]

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too much in IHO maybe just the nolva and clomid. Too many diffrent compounds may make you lose your appetite and you would eat less resulting in loss of muscle mass. Thats the best thing about me when I get off my hunger is through the roof.

 

[AWN2004]

Finishing up 12 week cycle and planning PCT as follows: Question is, Am I doing too much here, don't want to waste stuff, on other hand want to do everthing possible to retain gains. Here's the plan:

1. Nolvadex - 20 mg per day
2. Clen - 60 mg per day 5 days per week (length undetermined)
3. Growth - 3ius per day, 5 days per week
4. Clomid - 300 mg 1st day, 150 mgs 2-4th days, 100 mgs 5-14 days, 50 mgs
15-28th days
5. Creatine/Glutamine - reintroduce 10 grams two times daily each item
6. HCG - 2500 ius 1st/2nd/3rd/4th weeks
7. T3 - 25 mg a day 2 on one off 5 weeks
8. Dbol - 10 mg in a.m. daily 6 weeks

Feedback is appreciated!

Worldspan

PCT? That sounds like a cycle to me.

 

[dragonfire101]

1.First you shouldnt being doing hcg after the cycle. Use it the last 2 weeks of the cycle if you were not using it during.

2.Why is t3 part of your PCT it should be used during a cycle with gear only.

3. whats your purpose for GH were you just using itduring your cycle and continuing through to the next while off. If so keep it.

4. Dont understand our clen protocol. typical protocl is 2/on 2/ off weeks

5. Why the dbol are you doing the dbol bridge

 

[dirkmoneyshot]

Finishing up 12 week cycle and planning PCT as follows: Question is, Am I doing too much here, don't want to waste stuff, on other hand want to do everthing possible to retain gains. Here's the plan:

1. Nolvadex - 20 mg per day
2. Clen - 60 mg per day 5 days per week (length undetermined)
3. Growth - 3ius per day, 5 days per week
4. Clomid - 300 mg 1st day, 150 mgs 2-4th days, 100 mgs 5-14 days, 50 mgs
15-28th days
5. Creatine/Glutamine - reintroduce 10 grams two times daily each item
6. HCG - 2500 ius 1st/2nd/3rd/4th weeks
7. T3 - 25 mg a day 2 on one off 5 weeks
8. Dbol - 10 mg in a.m. daily 6 weeks

Feedback is appreciated!

Worldspan

1. Cut out (Nolvadex will rinder you Growh Useless)
2. 60 mcg Okay (3 weeks)
3. Okay
4. 100 mg (2 weeks)
5. Use the Kre Alkalyn Creatine (3g) / Glutamine (up to 30g / day)
6. 1,500 IU E3D (10 Days)
7. Cut Out
8. Cut Out

Then Get completely OFF and Stay off and let you body do the rest of the work!!!

Also if you can find it 1 AD is a nice supplement to add Post Cycle as it is non armotizing and will not affect your HPTA. It will help keep your strength up.

Good Luck

 

[Big A]

I wouldn't do the d-bol (why are you coming off if you are still using d-bol?) and I wouldn't be using HCG either as it will prolong your recovery.

Here's what I like:
nolvadex - 20mg/d
clomid - 100mg/day
syntheselen - 4ml/day
synthetine - 2ml/day
MAYBE GH

Don't need anything else.

 

[Coopie]

Nolva and Clomid are all you'll need in terms of bringing up your natural test levels. Ancillary stuff will help with pumps and generally make you feel better. If you use HCG post-cycle then you're only lengthening the time period during which your natural test is supressed.

As well, using DBOL is part of a "bridge", not a "post-cycle".

IMO, either commit to bridging or coming off, but both together is a waste of time and money.

 

[MikeS]

I dont think you need nolv AND clo, unless you are using HCG.
Do the clo only. Both are estro blockers-the best one for HPTA recovery is clomid by far.

 

[OLD QUA]

I dont think you need nolv AND clo, unless you are using HCG.
Do the clo only. Both are estro blockers-the best one for HPTA recovery is clomid by far.

All studies I have seen come to the conclution that Nolvadex the better choise of the to.
Im not trying to be disrespektful but if you have studys that can prove clormid to be more efektiv at recovering HPTA than nolvadex I most arnestly would like you to share them with me (and others)

 

[Qwert]

I've read this numerous times, but have not seen any real world data. does nolvadex really render GH useless, or lower it's effects?

 

[MikeS]

Studies dont reall ymean much in this case because its been reported for decades from cycling BBers that clomid is much better for HPTA recovery, nolv for gyno.
Do you have studies that show otherwise?

 

[OLD QUA]

I have some.
You can read this article:
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2573

The one who postet it here on professional muscle, have unfortunately postet it without the studioreferences, but I have the studios here:


1. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=640052&dopt=Citation

2. http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/240/2/E125

3. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6797955&dopt=Abstract

 

[Coopie]

I have found that when I use CLO alone I get mentally screwed up. I feel like I am going to cry at the slightest thing. I hate that.

When I use CLO and NOLVA together, however, I don't get that "girlie" mentality, so that's why I use the two together.

 

[Hudson]

Ive read the same thing regarding nolva and clomid. Ill look for the information.

But the point was essentially that the "myth" that clomid was better is nothing more than marketing. That essentially the two compounds do the same thing, but that nolva being a better estrogen blocker makes it preferable since its more effective than clomid at lower doses.

 

[Crowler]

I wouldn't do the d-bol (why are you coming off if you are still using d-bol?) and I wouldn't be using HCG either as it will prolong your recovery.

Here's what I like:
nolvadex - 20mg/d
clomid - 100mg/day
syntheselen - 4ml/day
synthetine - 2ml/day
MAYBE GH

Don't need anything else.

How long would you run that Big A?



CROWLER