MYTH Nolva and HGH

[meanmugger]

iv been reading alot about nolva depleting igf levels and may be a bad idea to run with hgh,but i also know nolva is a weak estrogen so there for it may actually help produce igf in the liver,and may not reduce nething for hgh usage in a healthy young man,so 5mg a day during a cycle with hgh may cause no negative side effects,like reduced gains from hgh,ANYone got any FEEDBACK,SO does it matter to run hgh with a low dosage of nolvadex,or should hgh be ran with out nolva for best results

 

[aoj]

Nolva does effect it but the exogenous HGH will outweigh it.

 

[10brandonr]

tamoxifen does decrease systematic levels of IGF-1 and GH, this effect is weak and of course only applies to endogenous production. So it may have a negative affect on GHRP/GHRH (very minimal), but not exogenous HGH. If you're worried tho try Clomid... which may or may not affect GH or IGF-1.

 

[meanmugger]

iam worried tho,so i stoped the nolva yesterday and iam starting hgh mon or teusday

 

[chemicalwarrior]

What are you using the nolva for? I'd suggest aromasin as a replacement as it actually raises igf-1 levels. I just prefer it to nolva all around- a bit easier on cholesterol levels, raises igf-1, stronger anti-estrogen etc.

 

[meanmugger]

well iam strapped on money or else i would,i dont think low does of nolva ed or eod couldnt really lower igf levels that much,plan on 4ius so i think ill use a low dose eod and 4ius daily m-f

 

[swoleup57]

I don't thnk the nolva would effect it that much to the point of any noticeability. Guys have been using GH along with nolva for years.

 

[Seabiscuit Hogg]

What are you using the nolva for? I'd suggest aromasin as a replacement as it actually raises igf-1 levels. I just prefer it to nolva all around- a bit easier on cholesterol levels, raises igf-1, stronger anti-estrogen etc.

I thought an ai would at least reduce hepatic IGF-1. Do you have link for this info? I'd like to study it out more.

 

[meanmugger]

I don't thnk the nolva would effect it that much to the point of any noticeability. Guys have been using GH along with nolva for years.

i thought the same,so i think ur body produces around an iu a day,so 20% of that lowered by the nolva isnt much,then adding 4ius hgh,sounds to me the nolva wouldnt hurt it,but i may be wrong

 

[chemicalwarrior]

I thought an ai would at least reduce hepatic IGF-1. Do you have link for this info? I'd like to study it out more.

I don't mean to sound like a hack, I just seem to remember reading some charts/studies that showed exemestane (aromasin) and formestane both raising circulating igf-1 levels by 20-25% or so. Now, that will pale in comparison to a shot of igf-1 shot, but it is more even levels over time. Again, not to sound cliched but just hunt around on Google and you'll probably see the same stuff I did. I can't verify it, just some stuff I read. Author L. Rea used to talk about it a lot since he was promoting a formestane product.

 

[Seabiscuit Hogg]

I don't mean to sound like a hack, I just seem to remember reading some charts/studies that showed exemestane (aromasin) and formestane both raising circulating igf-1 levels by 20-25% or so. Now, that will pale in comparison to a shot of igf-1 shot, but it is more even levels over time. Again, not to sound cliched but just hunt around on Google and you'll probably see the same stuff I did. I can't verify it, just some stuff I read. Author L. Rea used to talk about it a lot since he was promoting a formestane product.

Yeah, I found at least one case where it increased IGF-1 by 300 0/0. I skimmed right over this stuff while studying about it jacking test when not using exogenous androgens. This is pretty interesting stuFf.

 

[meanmugger]

well iam strapped on money so i got nolva thats it,iam ponly gonna be taking test 800mg a wk with the hgh,so im pretty sure i wont need the nolva,i usauully only get gyno affects from tren,pills so

 

[Seabiscuit Hogg]

Sounds like you'll be fine. Don't hesitate to use the nolva if you need t
o. The way I understand it is the difference would be hardly noticable.