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[Kev 245]

If andropen gives affectively a tapering in and a tapering out of test levels due to diff esters, is it better to use a short ester prop or suspension in the final weeks (whilst using HCG and HMG) inplace of andropen, so that the return to normal body levels production of test is quicker? effectively from what I understand eliminating the tapering off effect,

e.g. weeks 1-8 Andropen 2 ml 2x a week
weeks 8-12 Prop at 1.5 ml EOD
weeks 1-12 Arimidex and nolvadex
weeks 12-16 Clomid 50mg ED
weeks 6-12 HCG & HMG at 250 IU E3D and 75 IU E3D respectively

As prop is an ester in the blend this would basically just be taking out the longer esters approaching the end of the cycle so as to minimize loss of gains by having a shorter time without injecting but still a time off for body to return to normal


If not and the better idea is to stay on andropen for the full 12 weeks, as the last shot will continue to be active for a good few weeks after when should HCG treatment start?
Hope this all makes sense.

 

[km2000]

If andropen gives affectively a tapering in and a tapering out of test levels due to diff esters, is it better to use a short ester prop or suspension in the final weeks (whilst using HCG and HMG) inplace of andropen, so that the return to normal body levels production of test is quicker? effectively from what I understand eliminating the tapering off effect,

e.g. weeks 1-8 Andropen 2 ml 2x a week
weeks 8-12 Prop at 1.5 ml EOD
weeks 1-12 Arimidex and nolvadex
weeks 12-16 Clomid 50mg ED
weeks 6-12 HCG & HMG at 250 IU E3D and 75 IU E3D respectively

As prop is an ester in the blend this would basically just be taking out the longer esters approaching the end of the cycle so as to minimize loss of gains by having a shorter time without injecting but still a time off for body to return to normal



If not and the better idea is to stay on andropen for the full 12 weeks, as the last shot will continue to be active for a good few weeks after when should HCG treatment start?
Hope this all makes sense.

Good question bro!
I would do as you have outlined here, I never thought about adding i the prop the last few weeks like this but you would think it would give you a much higher concentration of test levels befor droping the test and hittin the pct.I would give your self about a week to 10 days after the last prop shot to let levels fall and the body a chance to realize the testes have got to come back from their ciesta and start working again! I think your right on track with this plan to realy maximize your time bro, good luck

 

[Kev 245]

Theres a post a good 4 years ago that has some relation to this I think,
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320&highlight=gains
xcelbeyond you specifically orientate your pct and keeping gains around protecting cortisol management, relating it to regaining a homeostatic level in body, would the use of both Dbol and Proviron effect greatly the HPTA axis returning to pre cycle condition? curious not trying to contradict.

The only real reason I like the idea of coming off AAs is to potentially I hope allow me to have kids some day, however I also want to keep what Ive gained, Im glad I found your post and am specifically interested in the effect on infertility that dbol would have, even though it may help me keep more, is there possibly an alternative or would removing it still allow this formula/idea to be benificial?

 

[km2000]

Theres a post a good 4 years ago that has some relation to this I think,
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320&highlight=gains
xcelbeyond you specifically orientate your pct and keeping gains around protecting cortisol management, relating it to regaining a homeostatic level in body, would the use of both Dbol and Proviron effect greatly the HPTA axis returning to pre cycle condition? curious not trying to contradict.

The only real reason I like the idea of coming off AAs is to potentially I hope allow me to have kids some day, however I also want to keep what Ive gained, Im glad I found your post and am specifically interested in the effect on infertility that dbol would have, even though it may help me keep more, is there possibly an alternative or would removing it still allow this formula/idea to be benificial?

I cant remember ut I think we had a post on this earlier, but are your test levels linked directly to your sperm count, meaning can you get a girl pregnant when natural test is in the shitter? I am under the impression that there is no direct link between the two causing infertility if you maintained low natural test for a prolonged peroid of time. any one got some insight . give me a little I will post some studys.