OT/Russian Martial Arts Systema

[dragonfire101]

Anyone ever take any classes or instruction in Russian Martial Arts or combat system "Systema"?

 

[Michaelthomasj]

Hey Dragon,

what state are you in?

 

[Druss]

Systema - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[aussiebulldog]

long long time ago.in a country far away........why ?

 

[dragonfire101]

Systema - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know what it is.. Wanted to know anyone on board that actually was trained and personal experience views.

 

[dragonfire101]

long long time ago.in a country far away........why ?

was maybe going to take classes to get trained

 

[claymore]

Anyone ever take any classes or instruction in Russian Martial Arts or combat system "Systema"?

I would take up wrestling and or boxing before I ever thought about systema, if your opponent will stand still and let you try pressure point applications on you then your good, but in a real life brawl...

 

[HeavyHands]

As far as Russian martial arts styles, how about Sambo? It's a very well-balanced style (combat sambo specifically) - see Fedor Emelianenko for a popular Sambo practitioner

 

[dragonfire101]

I would take up wrestling and or boxing before I ever thought about systema, if your opponent will stand still and let you try pressure point applications on you then your good, but in a real life brawl...

I'm talking about the military combat style of systema, which combat sombo would fall under, but I'm looking for a more advanced combat form of systema. You guys are talking to me like I'm a beginner. I wrestled for 8 years, and took other martial arts. I'm particularly looking for comments on experienced persons in the style of russian combat martial arts to comment.

Not definitions or what I i should take or thoughts on what others think is best or better. SORRY OF THIS SOUNDS ABRASIVE...

 

[aussiebulldog]

I'm talking about the military combat style of systema, which combat sombo would fall under, but I'm looking for a more advanced combat form of systema. You guys are talking to me like I'm a beginner. I wrestled for 8 years, and took other martial arts. I'm particularly looking for comments on experienced persons in the style of russian combat martial arts to comment.

Not definitions or what I i should take or thoughts on what others think is best or better. SORRY OF THIS SOUNDS ABRASIVE...

I just wanted to know why you wanted to know.
as it was partly developed for soviet security personal and was changed to suit KGB needs..so there are few different ways...
when I did survival ( a form of Kara maga) I trained and worked with a Georgian wrestler that was a high level instructor for systema. so I did it for a bit.
we did incorporate some aspect of that into our training and work. nothing like mma if you know what I mean.
I have found it great for self defense ,(and attack ) though not as developed as our system , ( due to different needs )but I am biased...

 

[Kermit2]

Hi Dragon,

Have trained with Vladimir Vasiliev on a number of occasions, what would you like to know?

 

[Gunsmith]

Krav Maga is a more effecient and realistic skill to learn

 

[dragonfire101]

Hi Dragon,

Have trained with Vladimir Vasiliev on a number of occasions, what would you like to know?

How similar is it to Krav Maga. Also in regards to similarity, which one offers better disarming weapons defense tactics.

 

[dragonfire101]

Krav Maga is a more effecient and realistic skill to learn

I went to a few classes years ago, liked it, but today its like the L.A. fitness of self defense arts. Places popping up that appear to be more of a fad. I can't find a place that teaches Krav Maga in my area that's cheap either. They want $200 a month for a 3 days a week and extra weapons defense training they want your to pay for small private group sessions.

I want the straight forward, no bullshit, most grimy version...

 

[Gunsmith]

I went to a few classes years ago, liked it, but today its like the L.A. fitness of self defense arts. Places popping up that appear to be more of a fad. I can't find a place that teaches Krav Maga in my area that's cheap either. They want $200 a month for a 3 days a week and extra weapons defense training they want your to pay for small private group sessions.

I want the straight forward, no bullshit, most grimy version...

Yea , its a fad now like alot of the MMA places , sadly alot of the guys teaching are seriously watered down

I worked close to some guys that were Israel "Sayeret" (some certifiable bad mother fuckers) in south africa for a little while , we screwed around some showing eachother some differant stuff. Krav Maga if hyper aggressive , their is not much "calculating" involved , its attack and think along the way.

"Eskrima" is also a great style to look into , though it is focused on a weapon , like a knife or short staff , it is very very effecient and effective (i personaly think everybody needs to carry a good knife anyway)

then regular old Judo , has been getting shit done for a very long time !!

basicly what you will find is that most Close Quarters Battle fighting styles are very effecient , with stikes to dissable or kill your opponent , you want to end the fight as fast as possible and be the guy standing in the end , if that involves an eye gouge before a rigid had to the throat then so be it , whatever it takes to win , you will see that most of these style are not from a fixed postition.

 

[dragonfire101]

Y
"Eskrima" is also a great style to look into , though it is focused on a weapon , like a knife or short staff , it is very very effecient and effective (i personaly think everybody needs to carry a good knife anyway)

I took little kun tao before that incorporated kali, but never stuck with it.

My father collect knifes. Mostly various hunting knives, mostly buck and boker and a few bowie.

 

[aussiebulldog]

the guys in south africa are probably my boys.its hisardout krav maga.
this was my trainer since I was a kid.
he is in his seventies in this video.
YouTube - Dennis Hannover

problem is that everyone that did some in the army (and most Israelis have done )can open up a place...so you need to know ....

look at this site :???? ??????? ?'??-?'???? - "???? ?? ??????? ?????".

 

[aussiebulldog]

How similar is it to Krav Maga. Also in regards to similarity, which one offers better disarming weapons defense tactics.

krav maga has evolved in a constant Battle zone. its main focus is on disarming weapons. we started knife works as kids. I believe it is far more efficient than the Russian systema.

this one is the army one :YouTube - Krav Maga Techniques

 

[Kermit2]

Dragon,

Systema is in my mind comletely different to Krav Maga, Systema teaches applications for all sorts of scenario's from hand to hand combat, defense against a knife, using a knife, fighting in confined spaces, cars, you name it. Why not check out some of the dvds that are available, or email Vladimir as he is a really easy going nice guy that would be more than happy to answer your questions.

I've trained with a quite a few different SF around the world and to be honest when it comes to the Martial Art side of it i'd say the Russians win hands down.

 

[dragonfire101]

Dragon,

Systema is in my mind comletely different to Krav Maga, Systema teaches applications for all sorts of scenario's from hand to hand combat, defense against a knife, using a knife, fighting in confined spaces, cars, you name it. Why not check out some of the dvds that are available, or email Vladimir as he is a really easy going nice guy that would be more than happy to answer your questions.

I've trained with a quite a few different SF around the world and to be honest when it comes to the Martial Art side of it i'd say the Russians win hands down.

I'm actually going to check out a class when I get a chance. Already talk with one of the certified trainers on his website in my area.

Yes..I was really interested on how it teaches you to think differently and train your mind to react to certain situations and how that enables someoen to have and edge against other individuals in situations etc.