PCT After PH 6 Week Cycle - Everyone Has Differant Expert Opinion!

[whonis]

Hi. I'm very new here, but love all the expert advice and open communication about things that are obviously very important to all of us. For me this would be the seemingly simple question about POST CYCLE THERAPY.

To keep it simple, here's what I'm completing now: I’m using CTD LABS Supervol and Trenbolen, and was advised to use the BCS LABS AI FORMADEX starting first week PCT.

Then I read this:

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that says that STEROIDAL AI'S LIKE FORMADEX is way overkill and that I should use Primordial Performance's "TRS" (Testosterone Recovery Stack) which was designed to be used as PCT for prohormone/steroid cycles specifically. Then I read that something like XABOL from Generation X is one of the best PCTs around, even better than the TRS! YIKES! Can you guys help a rookie get a clue with which way to turn here? Thanks so much!

 

[juicy j]

There are going to be people that disagree with me as many have on other boards but here is my take on pct for prohormones.

Prohormones are nothing more than designer steroids and should be treated with respect. That being said, the only pct I would ever use coming off a prohormone cycle is going to be almost identical to a pct I would use coming off a steroid cycle. Nolvadex and clomid for at least 3 weeks....my buddy uses prohormones exclusively and uses just clomid to come off. But do not think that these chemicals are weak and do not think that these chemicals will not shut you down. Herbs and bullshit is not going to cut it when it comes to recovery, my 2 cents!

 

[BiggJuicy]

There are going to be people that disagree with me as many have on other boards but here is my take on pct for prohormones.

Prohormones are nothing more than designer steroids and should be treated with respect. That being said, the only pct I would ever use coming off a prohormone cycle is going to be almost identical to a pct I would use coming off a steroid cycle. Nolvadex and clomid for at least 3 weeks....my buddy uses prohormones exclusively and uses just clomid to come off. But do not think that these chemicals are weak and do not think that these chemicals will not shut you down. Herbs and bullshit is not going to cut it when it comes to recovery, my 2 cents!

Yeah I would have to agree. But I also would like to add why risk your health with pro hormones? They have basicaly the same sides and almost same shutdown as AAS but with only a tiny percent of the benifits compared to AAS. Why not just run a simple 10 week begginer test cycle and a standard nolva/clomid pct? Safer with better results!

 

[juicy j]

I agree with your statement 100% but let me throw this out there....I have a buddy that is "natural" and only uses ph's, he's afraid to jump into juice, little does he know he already has. Anyway, this guy can gain 20lbs of lean mass in 6 weeks of a few ph's....I can't do that on injectibles and my diet/training is on point! I am 40lbs heavier so that has something to do with it as well but still, damn, lol!

Yeah I would have to agree. But I also would like to add why risk your health with pro hormones? They have basicaly the same sides and almost same shutdown as AAS but with only a tiny percent of the benifits compared to AAS. Why not just run a simple 10 week begginer test cycle and a standard nolva/clomid pct? Safer with better results!

 

[whonis]

Thanks for the advice guys. Now where do I find the Nolvadex and clomid? And what about Tomoxifin? I heard this was a good one as well. Thanks again!

 

[kscowboy]

Just do some research in the sponsors section.

 

[SYG]

^^^^what he said. You can find that stuff all over. Check the sponsor section bro. Also, search nol and clomid cycles to see what and how long to take pct.

 

[Creation]

ya def do nolv/clomid for pct..esp with superdrol thats some potent stuff..

When i did hdrol+mdrol i put on 15 lbs in 6 weeks and kept about 10lbs after nolvadex + clomid, but felt like shit for the last 3 weeks of it.

I did 10 week test cycle before and the gains were much slower but i also felt awsome, sometimes PH's can make you feel like total shit cause its so harsh to the body.

 

[whonis]

Creation, you are so right! After my test cyp cycle I felt amazing, injury repair was incredible, strength, libido, growth was all good, you name it. During the PH cycle hot flahes, moody, nauseous, dizzy, basically like you said...felt like shit! Never again, and for you other rookies out there like me, I say PASS ON THE PRO HORMONES!

 

[waynaferd]

I'm just coming off a m-drol to p-plex bridge and am using liquid nolva (tamoxifen citrate), a natural test booster, and RESTORE tapered down.

I did the same PCT for 2 epistane cycles last year and only lost 2 pounds both times.

I'm itching to go with the injectables, but man don't I hate to get shots!! Dunno how well it'll work, but on all my oral cycles I only get backpumps for sides, my nuts and nips are fine, and I make nice strength and size gains at a steady clip. I think a 10 week cycle of test and something else will really do me some wonders!!

 

[jrmuscle]

libido sucks on ph for me!!

Ive had problems with libido since i touched phs but it always gets corrected with a good clomid pct i love that stuff! but i never used nolvadex with it mayeb i should use that together then like after my old aas cycles!? but clomid seems to do the trick man so you cant go wrong with these two together!

 

[jrmuscle]

oh and from now on!!

im trading my phs and going back on aas test only for a while to get libido on track then clomid nolvadex i think aas are the best choice myself now that ive dropped my libido in just days on epistane!! and 1ad

 

[walker11]

got a couple questions to build on the original post. I am going to do a 6 week cycle of SUS 500 and plan on doing 3 weeks of clomid (100 mg./day first week and a half and 50 mg./day last week and a half) and 20 mg./day of nolva. The fist question i have is whether or not i should use nolva while on PH? Also, does the amount i plan on using sound good or should it be increased or decreased? And finaly, should i take a week off of using nothing but nolva after comming off SUS 500 then go on clomid, or should i go right on clomid with no break?
i know these questions might be common since to some of yall and i probably sound like an idiot asking, but i'de rather sound stupid and get my cycle right than keep my mouth shut and fuck up.
thanks,
Walker

 

[biggerguns]

Thanks for the advice guys. Now where do I find the Nolvadex and clomid? And what about Tomoxifin? I heard this was a good one as well. Thanks again!

tamoxifen is nolvadex.

 

[waynaferd]

I would save the nolva for PCT.....once you come off your PH cycle is when the estrogen will shoot up and need to be blocked from the receptors.

And I've only used nolva, not clomid, and dose it at 20, 20, 10, 10. Some say 40, 40, 20, 20, but I haven't seen much proof that there's a good reason to double up the dose. Plus this way a vial will last for 2 cycles easy, instead of one.

 

[Johnny Thrust]

ya def do nolv/clomid for pct..esp with superdrol thats some potent stuff..

When i did hdrol+mdrol i put on 15 lbs in 6 weeks and kept about 10lbs after nolvadex + clomid, but felt like shit for the last 3 weeks of it.

I did 10 week test cycle before and the gains were much slower but i also felt awsome, sometimes PH's can make you feel like total shit cause its so harsh to the body.

You kept 10 lbs of muscle after a 6 week cycle? Or is it that you used the bathroom scale as your measuring device and some of it was water & fat? Just because someone is gaining weight on a cycle doesnt mean your adding muscle. Im always intrigued by the numbers people offer here on muscle gains. Do you use a body fat measuring device or calipers? Im not picking a fight, just curious. Im sure that you are aware the Superdrol is nothing less than methylated Masteron. Hence the name..........Methasteron. It is an oral steroid and should be treated as such. Herbs post cycle aint gonna cut it.