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pct and libido help

mpa123

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Ok so heres the deal, my libido has completely crashed and I need it back asap. The background to my story is that I did a test only cycle about a year ago that was about 13-14 weeks long, then followed that with a pct of clomid/nolva along with hcgenerate and unleashed from ntbm. I never had bloodwork to make sure I recovered ok but I never had any problems with libido and it always worked, strength never decreased much and I felt great so I didn't see a need.

Now around march of this year I hopped back on a test cycle that lasted until may, so really not that long and for a couple weeks I was at 100mg per week and never above 350/week. I had read good things about torem so I used that for pct instead of the climid/nolva combo, I also used hcg on each cycle about once a week to keep the boys full. The torem made my boys hang like never before, but my libido has crashed recently. For the torem I did 120 for the first 12 days and then dropped it to 60 for the next three weeks.

I am going to get blood work wednesday so hopefully that should give me some answers, but in the past week I got worried and started daa at 3g per day, along with tribestan at 3 pills per day and pes erase on top of it hoping to help any way I could. Now heres my question, will viagra help for the time being? I know it works, but does it work even if the cause is low testosterone? And if my levels come back extremely low should I try to redo pct with clomid only or maybe nolva and clomid? Ive read about clomid at a low dose ed working well. Also, trt is not an option as I'd still like to have kids and want to keep those chances as high as possible, and trust me now I realize that I don't want to mess with this anymore so I just want to get my levels back up and be natural for now. Once I get the bloodwork back I'll post it, just really want to know if viagra will keep me going until I get it straightened out.
Thanks!
 

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FWIW, Torem and Nolva wreck my libido for a while, during and after I use them. You haven't been off long and may just need more time to feel normal again.

Yes, Viagra will definitely work if what you need is a boost in erections/erection strength. But most people don't find much of a boost in the desire department (libido) with just Viagra.

For that, I'd recommend PT-141 with the Viagra

When your bloodwork is in, post it here and we'll try to see what's up.
 

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Well I'm glad to hear its not just me, and I have the desire, but not quite like I used to. I can get it up but it only lasts about 4 minutes and I can't finish so you can see how that is embarrassing. As far as viagra vs cialis what are the pros and cons?
 

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Had a very similar issues last winter coming off an 8 WK high tren /low test cycle. My ed issues were more linked to MP carrying fake caber. Which led to some embarrassing events in the bedroom.
I'm thinking a low dose of clomid would do it for you, but obviously blood work is in order fkrst
 

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Well I'm glad to hear its not just me, and I have the desire, but not quite like I used to. I can get it up but it only lasts about 4 minutes and I can't finish so you can see how that is embarrassing. As far as viagra vs cialis what are the pros and cons?

viagra and cialis wont help low libido, as it's for ED. But from what you just wrote it should help, if you can get it up it should keep it up.
 

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Thanks for the info guys, unfortunately I won't have the bloodwork done until thursday morning but I'll still keep everyone updated. Also, I did pick up some viagra to hold me over but theyre 50mg pills, should I split them up? Think I read 25mg was a good dose to start with.
Thanks
 

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Thanks for the info guys, unfortunately I won't have the bloodwork done until thursday morning but I'll still keep everyone updated. Also, I did pick up some viagra to hold me over but theyre 50mg pills, should I split them up? Think I read 25mg was a good dose to start with.
Thanks

take the lowest dose that will get the job done... no point taking more than you have to, plus you'll get more bang for your buck....
 

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Hard to tell without Blood work.

If I read your post correctly you didn't use an AI? If so high E2 may be your problem. In which case an AI and maybe some nolva would help.

It's not outlandish in thinking maybe your prolactin has jumped up a bit. In which case grab some caber or prami.

Low test, or LH or FSH? Run clomid at a low dose for up to 6 weeks to see if that restarts your HPTA.

I dunno about pt-141 or melanotnan 2, as IME they give an acute burst in libido which can create a rebound dull in libido for a month or two.
 

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Ok I got my bloodwork results in finally, took a bit more time due to the holiday.
My test level was 1336, free test was 20.98 and % free test 1.57, now my estrogen was 133 so I'm guessing that's the problem, any opinions on what to do? I'm guessing an ai? I have pes erase and clomid on hand
 

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Get some adex or aromasin asap and dose 12.5mg aromasin daily and if that doesn't help, jump to 25mg daily. That's a really high test level btw. Are you still on a SERM?
 

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Ok I got my bloodwork results in finally, took a bit more time due to the holiday.
My test level was 1336, free test was 20.98 and % free test 1.57, now my estrogen was 133 so I'm guessing that's the problem, any opinions on what to do? I'm guessing an ai? I have pes erase and clomid on hand

Was this measured as Total Estrogens or Estradiol? A direct measurement of Free Testosterone can be inaccurate, giving a false lab value. The configuration of Total Testosterone/ SHBG/Albumin is a much better means of determining Free and Bio available Testosterone.
 

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It was estrodial, referance range was 3-70.

As far as testosterone, the only thing I have is 1336 for the serum testosterone, 20.98 for free test and 1.57 for % free.

So aromasin at 12.5mg daily? Which is better adex or aromasin?
Thanks
 

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Aromasin is better but costlier. Consume it with some fats.
 

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Ok so heres the deal, my libido has completely crashed and I need it back asap. The background to my story is that I did a test only cycle about a year ago that was about 13-14 weeks long, then followed that with a pct of clomid/nolva along with hcgenerate and unleashed from ntbm. I never had bloodwork to make sure I recovered ok but I never had any problems with libido and it always worked, strength never decreased much and I felt great so I didn't see a need.

Now around march of this year I hopped back on a test cycle that lasted until may, so really not that long and for a couple weeks I was at 100mg per week and never above 350/week. I had read good things about torem so I used that for pct instead of the climid/nolva combo, I also used hcg on each cycle about once a week to keep the boys full. The torem made my boys hang like never before, but my libido has crashed recently. For the torem I did 120 for the first 12 days and then dropped it to 60 for the next three weeks.

I am going to get blood work wednesday so hopefully that should give me some answers, but in the past week I got worried and started daa at 3g per day, along with tribestan at 3 pills per day and pes erase on top of it hoping to help any way I could. Now heres my question, will viagra help for the time being? I know it works, but does it work even if the cause is low testosterone? And if my levels come back extremely low should I try to redo pct with clomid only or maybe nolva and clomid? Ive read about clomid at a low dose ed working well. Also, trt is not an option as I'd still like to have kids and want to keep those chances as high as possible, and trust me now I realize that I don't want to mess with this anymore so I just want to get my levels back up and be natural for now. Once I get the bloodwork back I'll post it, just really want to know if viagra will keep me going until I get it straightened out.
Thanks!

PES Erase crashed my libido, energy and made my physique hold water. I have read reviews from others that had this happen to them. I ran it solo a couple years back far removed from a cycle and PCT
 
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Ok thanks guys, I've stopped taking everything including the daa, pes erase, and tribestan. I was worried that it was low test so I am glad to see thats not it. Already ordered the aromasin and I'll start at 12.5 mg daily once it arrives and do bloodwork again in a month, or should I wait 6 weeks? And once I get the estro lowered then it should stay down shouldn't it? I want to just get back to good healthy test levels and be natty for a while. And I'm guessing high estrogen can kill libido...

Last question, by lowering estrogen will that give me more free test? My free test was high but the percentage was low.

Thanks
 

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Also, will taking the clomid I have do any good? Possibly at a low dose like 10-25mg per day? I know it is not an ai but I have read conflicting info that it will help with high estrogen. I don't really need a higher serum test, but if it would help get my estro levels back to normal quicker that would be great.
 

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So I should have my aromasin omorrow, from what I've read I'm thinking ill take my first dose at 25 mg then taper down to about 5-10mg per day and have my bloodwork done again in a month. How's that sound? And once I get my estrogen down I won't need to keep taking aromasin will I? I didn't have naturally high estrogen before
 

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