Just to play devils advocate here but there are medical studies that show controlled groups that take aas and who DIDN'T work out gained more muscle than groups that trained and didn't take aas.
So I think it's pretty obvious when someone gets legit gear. I also think some people respond a lot better than some.
yeah, but both the amounts taken in those studies, and the amounts of lean gains are irrelevant compared to what people are expecting here. Those studies show crap like 3lbs of lean mass gains for the group with AAS + no exercsie which although nice isn't what someone is expecting from 8 weeks of prop + tren
I honestly question just how many members of this board, active members, really workout? Not mention use. Then there are the trt guys that get a wee bit of test in them and all of a sudden they're hardcore bber's filled with empty talk that spend their time cutting and pasting.
When I read "my gear is bunk" or "I don't feel anything" what is really being said is this: I need more attention!!!!! Please notice me!!!!!!
I have a strong feeling that almost all the active members on this site DO workout.
I have a strong feeling that almost all the active members on this site DO workout.
The best case is that we all talk from our own live's journey.
Just to play devils advocate here but there are medical studies that show controlled groups that take aas and who DIDN'T work out gained more muscle than groups that trained and didn't take aas.
So I think it's pretty obvious when someone gets legit gear. I also think some people respond a lot better than some.
there are so many factors involved.
MOST who complain of no or just poor gains have under estimated the importance of DIET and TRAINING,,,often failing to do even one of them right.
Some of these guys think they will just take the AAS and magically get in shape and this just isnt the case. You have to work for it. Its a 24/7 commitment.
Right on! I've known guys that complain about gear not working even though they party hard every weekend and don't train consistently.
Both sides of this debate are accurate.
The problem is Ive seen too many posts with people crying about gear being fake, that Ive used, and got great results.
At the same time, Ive seen too many posts with people bumpin gear that was crap.
I miss Gear99 for sure!
Also, the sides. It concerns me when my nuts dont shrivel up on test, when I dont get nosebleeds from Dbol, or get Decadick from Deca. Because I know what Im doing and have for years. Granted no one knows me personally so how credible am I? No more than anyone else. And yes, thats me in my avatar.
At what point would you call the gear bunk?
I mean you cant always give these companies the benefit of the doubt and if you dont get the results you want blame it on yourself.
I've only done one cycle of Test Cyp. 500 for 12 weeks. At first I didnt notice anything..people said it should kick in within 4-5 weeks but it was about 7-8 til I started feeling something. The end result was okay, and in part I do blame it on myself and for not having my diet and training on point. I dont necessarily think it was bunk but maybe underdosed or it might be that a newbie expects way too much from their first cycle..especially from what they see on the media. In my case I would call it underdosed.
I would assume your gear was underdose. You should be seeing a dramtic difference in training and body composition going into the 4 week. Back in the day we only had pharm grade available. There was a saying going around "you can grown even eating twinkies on juice". My first time using I ordered TE from a guy in Golds. It was a generic Mex product that said "Test" on a yellow lable. It was dirt cheap. It turned out to be TP instead.
I felt it very fast the first week using 1cc per injection.
I felt it leaving my body by the 3rd day. But with that said, my bold swelled up with the water weight gain and my body composition changed the first few weeks. Already had a foundation from years of natural training so that may have helped. But it seemed that I could do no wrong if I trained and eat shitty. Fresh receptors I suppose.
It just seems like the UG is underdosed or for some reason not as good as quality as pharm grade. I used lots of it but I never seem to feel the same impact as I do on human grade gear.