POST CYCLE RECOVERY IN MD. What do you think?

[TooPowerful4u]

I was reading Muscular Development Magazine and came across a post cycle recovery plan that i did not recognize. I did however recognize the clomid and arimidex was included with HCG in a different style. Cabergoline is described as a dopamine agonist that decreases prolactin release by way of inhibition at the source. This is what it suggests, if you want the whole article its in MD November issue. . .

Day
1. HCG 500iu/cabergoline .5mg/arimidex 1mg
2. HCG 500iu/Arimidex 1mg
3. HCG 500iu/Arimidex 1mg
4. HCG 500iu/Arimidex 1mg
5. HCG 500iu/cabergoline .5mg/arimidex 1mg
6. HCG 500iu/Arimidex 1mg
7. HCG 500iu/Arimidex 1mg
8. HCG 500iu/Arimidex 1mg
9. HCG 500iu/cabergoline .5mg/arimidex 1mg
10. HCG 500iu/Arimidex 1mg
11. HCG 500iu/Arimidex 1mg
12. HCG 500iu/Arimidex 1mg
13. HCG 500iu/cabergoline .5mg/arimidex 1mg
14. HCG 500iu/Clomid 100mg/Arimidex 1mg
15. HCG 500iu/Clomid 100mg/Arimidex 1mg
16. HCG 500iu/Clomid 100mg/Arimidex 1mg
17. HCG 500iu/cabergoline .5mg/Clomid 100mg
18. HCG 500iu/Clomid 100mg/Arimidex 1mg
19. HCG 500iu/Clomid 50mg/Arimidex 1mg
20. HCG 500iu/Clomid 50mg/Arimidex 1mg
21. HCG 500iu/cabergoline .5mg/Clomid 50mg/Arimidex 1mg
22. Clomid 50mg/Arimidex 1mg
23. Clomid 50mg/Arimidex 1mg
24. Clomid 50mg/Arimidex 1mg
25. Caberboline .5mg/Clomid 50mg/Arimidex 1mg
26. Clomid 50mg/Arimidex 1mg
27. Clomid 50mg/Arimidex 1mg
28. Clomid 50mg/Arimidex 1mg

 

[xcelbeyond]

Used like this can be counter-productive. Read posts at http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1190

xcel

 

[patk]

I wouldn't!

patk

 

[big_byrd52]

how would that be counter productive xcel?

 

[xcelbeyond]

From the article I referenced:

"HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production."

This was reinforced by statements made by Doc Swale (specializes in HRT).

xcel

 

[big_byrd52]

i read that in the article. Im aware that the hcg doesnt restore test level and aromatizes. Would the adex not stop the aromatization?

The HCG restores the HPTA to normal which allows the clomid to work on restore test levels. From my understanding, the clomid cannot do its job unless HPTA is in order.

So it seems it would work. not alot different than what i have seen elsewhere. The hcg use is longer but it sounds about right to me.

 

[raybravo]

who was this article written by ? l rea ?

 

[drgoodbody]

Weird recovery plan - seems too long on HCG and too short on Clomid. Also, I have found that a full recovery for me takes 6-8 weeks, not 4 weeks.

DrG

 

[DIEZEL666]

Ray

It was written by ALR. He has his own monthly column in the mag now.

 

[wolverine]

The HCG restores the HPTA to normal which allows the clomid to work on restore test levels. From my understanding, the clomid cannot do its job unless HPTA is in order.

Actually, that's wrong. HCG keeps the axis suppressed. HCG taken post cycle will just keep your HPTA down longer.

 

[big_byrd52]

can you post some research on that? not doubting ya, just want to read it. And if it does supress, then why do we still take it for pct? Am i that far behind the times, damn?

 

[MikeS]

Way overuse on the Arx AND HCG. No need to use Arx 1mg ED as it is long acting and .5-1mg 2-3x wk would suffice. And no doubt the constant HCG dose would cause suppression. It should be used briefly with an anti estro.

 

[raybravo]

first of all , i dont think thats over use of hcg , thats 10500 iu , say u do 3000/3000/2000/2000 iu shots , over a period of 20 days ,each shot spaced 5 days apart , then ure around the same dose . so thats allright i feel . although i like 4 shots of higher dose more than 500 iu ed .
second , arimi is being used , i feel with that in there , there is no way one should not have a SERM , nolva or clomid HAS ! to be there , shbg levels have to increase to make sure over all test levels go up , which wont be the case with arimidex only .
thirdly , good idea over all to consider prolactin , but decreasing estrogen itself decreases prolactin , so with the heavy use of arimi , i wonder how much of a negative effect the use of cabergoline would have , as its going to decrease prolactin even more( which is already been lowered due to arimidex lowering estrogen) .