Quinton Beastwood calls out Matt Jansen

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Curious what everyone thinks..

 

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I just watched this from the other thread and have so many thoughts.

But the first one- “hire slow and fire fast”. It’s a rule to live by in business. Same with coaches and athletes.

I have worked with many great coaches, but I knew when to pull the plug. Did it make them a bad coach? No. They had their style and formula.

In looking back I should have known their formula and style prior to working with them.

But more importantly in all of this- a coach is just that, a coach. You don’t see Aaron Rodgers run on the field and run the play he was told by the coach if he sees a shift in the defense. He adapts and executes and then discusses with the coach after the play.

It’s our job to know our body, to know when to execute, when to push back and how to progress in this sport. Too many guys are under communicating and blindly trusting the process. We live in our body 24/7 and expect a coach to read our mind and know how we feel in WhatsApp 1-2X a week… it’s a yin and yang dynamic. Only way it works.

With all that said, I don’t know Matt. What I do know is that the fake gear crap is getting old. No coach OR athlete should be using that excuse.

I think it’s great he shared his experience as I think there needs to be more balance and accountability on both sides.

Just my opinion.

 

[3BILLS]

I just watched this from the other thread and have so many thoughts.

But the first one- “hire slow and fire fast”. It’s a rule to live by in business. Same with coaches and athletes.

I have worked with many great coaches, but I knew when to pull the plug. Did it make them a bad coach? No. They had their style and formula.

In looking back I should have known their formula and style prior to working with them.

But more importantly in all of this- a coach is just that, a coach. You don’t see Aaron Rodgers run on the field and run the play he was told by the coach if he sees a shift in the defense. He adapts and executes and then discusses with the coach after the play.

It’s our job to know our body, to know when to execute, when to push back and how to progress in this sport. Too many guys are under communicating and blindly trusting the process. We live in our body 24/7 and expect a coach to read our mind and know how we feel in WhatsApp 1-2X a week… it’s a yin and yang dynamic. Only way it works.

With all that said, I don’t know Matt. What I do know is that the fake gear crap is getting old. No coach OR athlete should be using that excuse.

I think it’s great he shared his experience as I think there needs to be more balance and accountability on both sides.

Just my opinion.

Ok then why in every thread when someone mentions they have a coach we say to not sway from your coaches plan.

Trust the process ..so on and so forth?

 

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Ok then why in every thread when someone mentions they have a coach we say to not sway from your coaches plan.

Trust the process ..so on and so forth?

You missed the bold word, blindly.

 

[3BILLS]

You missed the bold word, blindly.

Still a fine line

 

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Still a fine line

It is a fine line. But it’s a clear one when you know your body and communicate.

Example- we recently changed up my cycle and AJ suggested I use a compound that gives me PIP. Did I blindly just do it? No, I reminded him and we moved forward without days of limping. lol

In this case here- When he was 320 and Matt wanted him to push up to 330 and eat burgers on all training days. He knew it was the wrong thing to do for his body, but he blindly trusted the process. I have been there and you know when you can’t eat up anymore or shouldn’t. But if that’s not properly communicated to the coach then you both end up in a bad spot.

I get several messages on here from guys under good coaches who are having issues that I help in DM’s. 9/10 of them haven’t even told their coach about the issue because they’re afraid or “blindly” trusting the process.

To me that’s the line and at our level we know where it’s at. A new guy and client under a coach- he’s still learning and doesn’t know his body nor does his coach… different example.

But a top pro losing 20lb of lean tissue over two years… you know. And he owned that which I think is great.

 

[3BILLS]

It is a fine line. But it’s a clear one when you know your body and communicate.

Example- we recently changed up my cycle and AJ suggested I use a compound that gives me PIP. Did I blindly just do it? No, I reminded him and we moved forward without days of limping. lol

In this case here- When he was 320 and Matt wanted him to push up to 330 and eat burgers on all training days. He knew it was the wrong thing to do for his body, but he blindly trusted the process. I have been there and you know when you can’t eat up anymore or shouldn’t. But if that’s not properly communicated to the coach then you both end up in a bad spot.

I get several messages on here from guys under good coaches who are having issues that I help in DM’s. 9/10 of them haven’t even told their coach about the issue because they’re afraid or “blindly” trusting the process.

To me that’s the line and at our level we know where it’s at. A new guy and client under a coach- he’s still learning and doesn’t know his body nor does his coach… different example.

But a top pro losing 20lb of lean tissue over two years… you know. And he owned that which I think is great.

Solid response

What's the point of having a coach if you can't be open and honest with that person then.

 

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My fault I was on my lunch break at work and didn’t see that the video was posted to the IFBB 2024 thread. I did see Phil chimed in as well. I don’t believe the fake gear shit either.

 

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Solid response

What's the point of having a coach if you can't be open and honest with that person then.

Boom! That’s it right there. And if you can’t get that with them then find one you can be with sooner rather than later. 1-2 years is a long time in this sport.

 

[3BILLS]

It is a fine line. But it’s a clear one when you know your body and communicate.

Example- we recently changed up my cycle and AJ suggested I use a compound that gives me PIP. Did I blindly just do it? No, I reminded him and we moved forward without days of limping. lol

In this case here- When he was 320 and Matt wanted him to push up to 330 and eat burgers on all training days. He knew it was the wrong thing to do for his body, but he blindly trusted the process. I have been there and you know when you can’t eat up anymore or shouldn’t. But if that’s not properly communicated to the coach then you both end up in a bad spot.

I get several messages on here from guys under good coaches who are having issues that I help in DM’s. 9/10 of them haven’t even told their coach about the issue because they’re afraid or “blindly” trusting the process.

To me that’s the line and at our level we know where it’s at. A new guy and client under a coach- he’s still learning and doesn’t know his body nor does his coach… different example.

But a top pro losing 20lb of lean tissue over two years… you know. And he owned that which I think is great.

Also you know your limit and can be real with yourself.

Alot of people are chasing a dream and will do whatever it takes to get close to it

 

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Also you know your limit and can be real with yourself.

Alot of people are chasing a dream and will do whatever it takes to get close to it

In all fairness working with Milos helped me find those limits.

 

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In all fairness working with Milos helped me find those limits.

Maybe a little self awareness on your part to

 

[Biggerp73]

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My fault I was on my lunch break at work and didn’t see that the video was posted to the IFBB 2024 thread. I did see Phil chimed in as well. I don’t believe the fake gear shit either.

The thing is, no coach has ever taken someone without elite genetics and changed their trajectory and made them elite. That just doesn't happen.

Even the best coaches don't know anything the rest of us don't know. There are no secrets. From what I can tell, at best, they provide a set of seasoned eyes to guide your conditioning and a motivating voice to keep you going. But not a single one has a magic sauce.

 

[Fleezy]

The thing is, no coach has ever taken someone without elite genetics and changed their trajectory and made them elite. That just doesn't happen.

Even the best coaches don't know anything the rest of us don't know. There are no secrets. From what I can tell, at best, they provide a set of seasoned eyes to guide your conditioning and a motivating voice to keep you going. But not a single one has a magic sauce.

True

But John Meadows helped Josh Wade get to the Olympia IIRC

So that’s one ‘sort of’ example

 

[3BILLS]

I see dead people

 

[Elvia1023]

Solid response

What's the point of having a coach if you can't be open and honest with that person then.

All solid responses in this thread explaining things extremely well but I still agree with your original point. That point is especially true when it comes to bodybuilders in prep. Fact is so many people say they have to hire a coach for prep because they can't trust their own judgement. Off season can be much easier for many people but when they prep their mind plays tricks on them especially later on when in a larger calorie deficit with output at it's highest. They think they are not lean enough so do more and eat less and often overdo everything. They think they are losing too much size so add in too many cheat meals and come in out of shape. They feel flat so carb up far too much and spill. They don't feel dry enough so overdo diuretics etc. Many guys overthink everything and it's part of the reason why new coaches are popping up daily on social media. There are guys who even have different coaches for training and diet which is bizarre to me because they should go hand in hand.

Obviously everyone shouldn't blindly follow someone else but these guys do because in their eyes they hired that "world class" coach for that very reason. As you stated if someone was to post on here all they would get is listen to your coach and trust the process especially if that coach is a massive name they paid $thousands for. Guys hire these coaches to do all their thinking and many do best in that environment were they can simply follow the plan and don't overthink about stuff. Even some of the best bodies on the planet are not very knowledgeable about nutrition and supplementation. Some barely know the basics so they are going to follow everything their coach recommends.

It can work both ways and sometimes because of that relationship they have with their coach they don't form good communication channels and if there is ever an issue they may not even tell their coach because they feel guilty or it looks bad etc. I don't have a clue what Matt is like but I have heard many things over the years to the extent I would never recommend him to anyone. His businesses are doing so well these days I am sure his coaching will simmer out. Well unless his wife carries on giving out plans to people because her husband is so busy doing other things

 

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The thing is, no coach has ever taken someone without elite genetics and changed their trajectory and made them elite. That just doesn't happen.

Even the best coaches don't know anything the rest of us don't know. There are no secrets. From what I can tell, at best, they provide a set of seasoned eyes to guide your conditioning and a motivating voice to keep you going. But not a single one has a magic sauce.

I couldn’t agree more..there’s no “secret protocol” you Just have to know your body.

 

[3BILLS]

Bboy told me I can be my own coach. Now that's a tough conversation

 

[astrosfan123]

well done Q, lets see if any coaches get in the way of this one and stick up for matt lol

 

[danieltx]

I'm most interested to know how an 88% qualifies as an A+ in Canada.