Recovery From Tren or Deca for Older Guy

[datamon]

I am 45 years old, on TRT for about 6 months (200mg/wk).

I am dating a younger girl and it is possible that a year or so down the road I would want to have kids. I've never tried Tren or Deca but would like to run one Tren or Deca cycle before getting off TRT.

So, any opinions on recovering from a Tren or Deca cycle given my situation?

 

[gtj220]

I am 45 years old, on TRT for about 6 months (200mg/wk).

I am dating a younger girl and it is possible that a year or so down the road I would want to have kids. I've never tried Tren or Deca but would like to run one Tren or Deca cycle before getting off TRT.

So, any opinions on recovering from a Tren or Deca cycle given my situation?

Try the faster acting esters tren ace and nandrolone phenylpropionate, in and out faster. Personally, I wouldn't do tren unless preparing for a contest. I prefer test and bold, less sides great effect. Congrats on the young hottie, cialis is another personal fav.

 

[Nssca]

HCG and a good Blow job from that young honey will help ya get over the deca...LOL

 

[abolish the weak]

I'm probably one of the last people to offer anybody good advice, but here it goes. Option 1- stay off gear, potentially have a child. Watch your kid grow up, go to his/her school plays, baseball games, camping trips, whatever. Settle down with a girl and get married, have a nice house and a nice life. Option 2- keep telling yourself you might have a kid, but in the meantime cycle harsh things like trenbolone and make it take longer to recover, IF YOU CAN RECOVER at 45 yrs old. The older you are, the harder recovery is, just remember that. On the flip side, I know this shit is a lifestyle and hard to stay away from sometimes. If you need to run something I'd opt for the high side of HRT dosage and keep it under control.

 

[EYE2EYE]

HCG and a good Blow job from that young honey will help ya get over the deca...LOL

Thats some funny shit!
Peace.

 

[madmick]

I'm a little older then you bro and have no problems at all with recovery or any other gear related issues, and I run Tren with almost every cycle (not a big fan of deca). But, I very rarely do go off. I did take 10 weeks off 4 months ago for the 1st time in a long time. I ran HCG for 3 weeks and all was fine. I can not feel any differance when I go off now or when I did 20+ years ago.

 

[Thor]

JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT

I am 45 years old, on TRT for about 6 months (200mg/wk).

I am dating a younger girl and it is possible that a year or so down the road I would want to have kids. I've never tried Tren or Deca but would like to run one Tren or Deca cycle before getting off TRT.

So, any opinions on recovering from a Tren or Deca cycle given my situation?

Ok let's just say it works out and you have a child together, how old will you be at his or her graduation?........ Or if it doesn't work out how hard will it be to visit your son/daughter at the younger girl's house with her new BF as your child's stepdad for YEARS.......... THINK IT THROUGH FIRST IS ALL I"M SAYING................ too many people have children together and they and ESPECIALLY THE CHILDREN pay for it for years when it doesn't work out ....emotionally and financially, I see it ALL THE TIME and I am one of them, as are MANY of my friends, male and female and it's very sad and could have been avoided. Too many people get together and have kids way too soon, IMO it takes a MINIMUM of 3 years living together before you ACTUALLY get to know who the other person really is, and this is from personal experience. Whatever you decide best of luck to you and your lady and sorry about going way off topic here.

 

[HOTROCKS]

J Sex Med. 2005 Sep;2(5):716-21.

clomiphene citrate effects on testosterone/estrogen ratio in male hypogonadism.

Shabsigh A, Kang Y, Shabsign R, Gonzalez M, Liberson G, Fisch H, Goluboff E.

Department of Urology, NY Presbyterian Medical Center, New York, NY, USA.

AIM: Symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism is associated not only with a decline in serum testosterone, but also with a rise in serum estradiol. These endocrine changes negatively affect libido, sexual function, mood, behavior, lean body mass, and bone density. Currently, the most common treatment is exogenous testosterone therapy. This treatment can be associated with skin irritation, gynecomastia, nipple tenderness, testicular atrophy, and decline in sperm counts. In this study we investigated the efficacy of clomiphene citrate in the treatment of hypogonadism with the objectives of raising endogenous serum testosterone (T) and improving the testosterone/estrogen (T/E) ratio. METHODS: Our cohort consisted of 36 Caucasian men with hypogonadism defined as serum testosterone level less than 300 ng/dL. Each patient was treated with a daily dose of 25 mg clomiphene citrate and followed prospectively. Analysis of baseline and follow-up serum levels of testosterone and estradiol levels were performed. RESULTS: The mean age was 39 years, and the mean pretreatment testosterone and estrogen levels were 247.6 +/- 39.8 ng/dL and 32.3 +/- 10.9, respectively. By the first follow-up visit (4-6 weeks), the mean testosterone level rose to 610.0 +/- 178.6 ng/dL (P < 0.00001). Moreover, the T/E ratio improved from 8.7 to 14.2 (P < 0.001). There were no side effects reported by the patients. CONCLUSIONS: Low dose clomiphene citrate is effective in elevating serum testosterone levels and improving the testosterone/estradiol ratio in men with hypogonadism. This therapy represents an alternative to testosterone therapy by stimulating the endogenous androgen production pathway.


Fertil Steril. 2006 Nov;86(5):1513.e5-9.

Complete reversal of adult-onset isolated hypogonadotropic hypogonadism with clomiphene citrate.

Ioannidou-Kadis S, Wright PJ, Neely RD, Quinton R.

 

[HOTROCKS]

Clomid only pct

Complete reversal of adult-onset isolated hypogonadotropic hypogonadism with clomiphene citrate.

Ioannidou-Kadis S, Wright PJ, Neely RD, Quinton R.
ABSTRACT

OBJECTIVE: Inhibition of pituitary gonadotropin secretion in men by T is principally mediated by aromatization to estrogen (E), which inhibits hypothalamic secretion of GnRH. We hypothesized that adult-onset isolated hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (IHH) might result from an altered central set-point for E-mediated negative feedback. DESIGN AND SETTING: Longitudinal clinical investigation unit-based evaluation of the clinical and biochemical response to E-receptor blockade. PATIENT(S): A 31-year-old man presenting with an 18-month history of sexual dysfunction resulting from severe adult-onset IHH (LH 1.7 U/L, FSH 2.0 U/L, T 3.5 nmol/L). INTERVENTION(S): Initial therapy with 50 mg of clomiphene citrate (CC) three times a day for 7 days, with overnight LH pulse profiling and 9 am T levels evaluated at baseline and on completion. A 2-month washout period, followed by low-dose maintenance therapy (25-50 mg/d) for 4 months. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE(S): Baseline and stimulated T levels and LH pulsatility; effect on sexual function. RESULT(S): clomiphene therapy resulted in complete normalization of pulsatile gonadotropin secretion, serum T level, and sexual function. CONCLUSION(S): Isolated hypogonadotropic hypogonadism may result from an acquired defect of enhanced hypothalamic sensitivity to E-mediated negative feedback. Whereas direct T replacement therapy can further suppress endogenous gonadotropin secretion, treating IHH men with gonadotropins can stimulate endogenous T secretion and enhance fertility potential. On theoretical grounds, reversal of gonadotropin deficiency with CC might be expected to have a similar biological effect.

 

[taslajrisi]

madmick

What dosage did you run HCG at for 3 weeks? Just curious because there are two schools of thought about high dose vs. low dose on cycle vs. PCT for HCG. Even doc's dissagree on it.

 

[King-kong]

Just a thought but since you are currently on HRT already you may have problems already. The distress of trying to have children and not being able to conceive WILL take its toll on most relationships. If in the future you meet some difficult times you will feel so guilty the cycle wouldnt have been worth it. 45 aint old at all. My sperm count was through the friggin roof years ago and even with PCT I wound up at an endocrinologist on all kind of meds. Luckily I had a prior test that showed such high numbers and he knew what to prescribe to fix me up. Took us an extra year to have kids due to me being a dumb ass.

 

[datamon]

Just a thought but since you are currently on HRT already you may have problems already.

My test levels were in the average range, but towards the lower end. I had to go to 3 doctors to get one to work with me on HRT. So, I was producing and just wanted to get my levels up.