Sides from higher doses?

noname103 · Nov 28, 2007

Lack of appetite, upset stomach, general feeling of ill, cramps on test/deca/tren/win/dbol(not dbol whatever that thing is thats simular but supposedly less bloat). Anyone else expierience this? Wondering if I should start taking some b vitamins. I have also been fighting a staph infection which may be partially to blame(taking antibiotics). I don't feel good or sleep well. I also feel ill towards the end of my workouts pumps are very intense with cramping. Vascularity is very improved but no new size(weight). Ideas other than lower doses(I have already considered that one). The problem is at a moderate dosage or a large dosage I just can't get past a certain point so trying to push the issue. I started taking prilosec to help with stomach is it possible orals are upsetting the stomach? Also taking shakes again which is awful btw. Even at multi gram dosages I am not putting on any weight. Give it a couple weeks ideas other simular expieriences(sp)?

thanks

shoestring · Nov 28, 2007

Taking two orals while on antibiotics is bad news imo. Most antibiotics are are hard on the liver.

3BILLS · Nov 28, 2007

i think your using way to much, give your body a chance to heal

nosmas · Nov 28, 2007

noname103 said:
test/deca/tren/win/dbol

GoneForever · Nov 28, 2007

noname103 said:
Lack of appetite, upset stomach, general feeling of ill, cramps on test/deca/tren/win/dbol(not dbol whatever that thing is thats simular but supposedly less bloat). Anyone else expierience this? Wondering if I should start taking some b vitamins. I have also been fighting a staph infection which may be partially to blame(taking antibiotics). I don't feel good or sleep well. I also feel ill towards the end of my workouts pumps are very intense with cramping. Vascularity is very improved but no new size(weight). Ideas other than lower doses(I have already considered that one). The problem is at a moderate dosage or a large dosage I just can't get past a certain point so trying to push the issue. I started taking prilosec to help with stomach is it possible orals are upsetting the stomach? Also taking shakes again which is awful btw. Even at multi gram dosages I am not putting on any weight. Give it a couple weeks ideas other simular expieriences(sp)?

thanks

Its T-bol. You should really research what your taking before you take it. But what are your doses of everything and how long have you been on. Usually the more bloated you get, your appetite goes down. Many people lose appetite on deca and tren and your own both. Dbol kills appetite as well, and so does too much test. I personally believe that when people are starting to say you grow more on less AAS, thats due to being able to eat more and train better b/c you feel better.

jmcbride · Nov 28, 2007

That is quit a buit of stuff at one time...maybe run 2 easters then through in a 3rd at a lower dosage when u plateau or something

anabolic2k · Nov 28, 2007

A bit of cycle history and general stats would be useful when trying to answer a question of this nature!?

And you say you havnt gained any weight? is nutrition in place and also did you start this cycle after being clean for a period or have you just ended one cycle and began this 1 straight away?

Big Bapper · Nov 28, 2007

Whats your deit and training look like.

Massive G · Nov 28, 2007

noname103 said:
Lack of appetite, upset stomach, general feeling of ill, cramps on I have also been fighting a staph infection which may be partially to blame(taking antibiotics). I don't feel good or sleep well. I also feel ill towards the end of my workouts pumps are very intense with cramping. Ideas other than lower doses(I have already considered that one). Thanks

Your main problem I think is the staph infection and sides from the antibiotics.
cycling and training when you are sick take isn't the best thing some time off. the biggest stressor to the immune system is training so get your infection healed and then get back in the game other wise this will go on and on and on.

ginger root caps 1000 mg with each meal-soothes the stomach
Bromelain-helps digestion from the stomach to the colon 500-1000 mgs with each meal
Acidophilis 3-6 caps with each meal
will all help your gut from the anti biotics.

grumpy69 · Nov 28, 2007

noname103 said:
test/deca/tren/win/dbol

hendosmoke · Nov 28, 2007

Big Bapper said:
Whats your deit and training look like.

Sorry but It doesn't matter what his diet or training looks likes that's too much juice! A cycle like that should be for more advanced bb'ers but from the lack of knowledge on the subject I highly doubt he is!

nosmas · Nov 28, 2007

hendosmoke said:
Sorry but It doesn't matter what his diet or training looks likes that's too much juice! A cycle like that should be for more advanced bb'ers but from the lack of knowledge on the subject I highly doubt he is!

All the more reason to ask the question IMO. If he posts it, we know right away if he walks the path or not so to speak depending on the stats. The proof is in the pudding! Posting the stats is the "proof" I look for. If it makes sense, has been thought out and the right things are in place then it shows whether or not he even deserves an answer or he is just plain silly and ignorant.
I do agree with you though smoke.. I dont think this one is going to pan out at all like one would hope. I would like to think there was at least a freakin book read or something before he bought the needles.. But I am not gonna hold my breath!

hendosmoke · Nov 28, 2007

True!

nosmas said:
All the more reason to ask the question IMO. If he posts it, we know right away if he walks the path or not so to speak depending on the stats. The proof is in the pudding! Posting the stats is the "proof" I look for. If it makes sense, has been thought out and the right things are in place then it shows whether or not he even deserves an answer or he is just plain silly and ignorant.
I do agree with you though smoke.. I dont think this one is going to pan out at all like one would hope. I would like to think there was at least a freakin book read or something before he bought the needles.. But I am not gonna hold my breath!

Wise words nos and it is a GREAT quest to ask but the ONLY reason I felt the question was answered is because who would run test/deca/TRENBOLONE!!!!/ etc but then gives you the gear that rhymes with what he is actually taking?!? IMO sounds like russian roulette with 6 in the revolver.

nosmas · Nov 28, 2007

hendosmoke said:
Wise words nos and it is a GREAT quest to ask but the ONLY reason I felt the question was answered is because who would run test/deca/TRENBOLONE!!!!/ etc but then gives you the gear that rhymes with what he is actually taking?!? IMO sounds like russian roulette with 6 in the revolver.

I agree with you 100% This one is not going to add up at all regardless of what he puts down.

Ashop · Nov 29, 2007

noname103 said:
Lack of appetite, upset stomach, general feeling of ill, cramps on test/deca/tren/win/dbol(not dbol whatever that thing is thats simular but supposedly less bloat). Anyone else expierience this? Wondering if I should start taking some b vitamins. I have also been fighting a staph infection which may be partially to blame(taking antibiotics). I don't feel good or sleep well. I also feel ill towards the end of my workouts pumps are very intense with cramping. Vascularity is very improved but no new size(weight). Ideas other than lower doses(I have already considered that one). The problem is at a moderate dosage or a large dosage I just can't get past a certain point so trying to push the issue. I started taking prilosec to help with stomach is it possible orals are upsetting the stomach? Also taking shakes again which is awful btw. Even at multi gram dosages I am not putting on any weight. Give it a couple weeks ideas other simular expieriences(sp)?

thanks

it sounds like you should maybe stop your cycle and get healthy first and approach a new plan.

SwoleTexasKid · Nov 29, 2007

noname103 said:
Lack of appetite, upset stomach, general feeling of ill, cramps on test/deca/tren/win/dbol(not dbol whatever that thing is thats simular but supposedly less bloat). Anyone else expierience this? Wondering if I should start taking some b vitamins. I have also been fighting a staph infection which may be partially to blame(taking antibiotics). I don't feel good or sleep well. I also feel ill towards the end of my workouts pumps are very intense with cramping. Vascularity is very improved but no new size(weight). Ideas other than lower doses(I have already considered that one). The problem is at a moderate dosage or a large dosage I just can't get past a certain point so trying to push the issue. I started taking prilosec to help with stomach is it possible orals are upsetting the stomach? Also taking shakes again which is awful btw. Even at multi gram dosages I am not putting on any weight. Give it a couple weeks ideas other simular expieriences(sp)?

thanks

See I used to bust crazy cycles like that with 5 or 6 compounds and I pulled the first one off alright but the second cycle I did that complicated, my body rejected the tons of gear I put in it. Im pretty sure all that stuff lowers your immune system. I caught a nasty case of Bronchitus when I was on Supertest/Deca/Eq/Mast/Tren. It was so bad that I had to cut the cycle short.

I run much simpler cycles now. The next one I have planned is Test C for ten weeks with Dbol for the first 4.

oldfella · Nov 29, 2007

Too many compunds and especially deca and tren together. Not a combo I would do!! But put all of that in and throw down the orals, buddy you are asking for touble. i say drop all the other shit and just use test for a while and let the other shit get out of your system. put you test at 500mg/wk and leave the rest out. Get rid of the staff infection and then get some blood s done. get on some synthergine for your liver too.!

kandaandm · Nov 29, 2007

I don't want to seem like a newbie...but please explain the concerns with running Trenbolone and Deca at the same time...

oldfella · Nov 29, 2007

kandaandm said:
I don't want to seem like a newbie...but please explain the concerns with running Trenbolone and Deca at the same time...

Both are very high androgens. They have the capacity to cause progesteronic activity in the body and also some prolactin issues with many.

So one or the other. As a newbie you want to stick with deca and stay away from tren. tren is very harsh and can cause a lot of unwanted sides.

SwoleTexasKid · Nov 29, 2007

oldfella said:
Both are very high androgens. They have the capacity to cause progesteronic activity in the body and also some prolactin issues with many.

So one or the other. As a newbie you want to stick with deca and stay away from tren. tren is very harsh and can cause a lot of unwanted sides.

This is very true. I have run Deca and Tren together twice but my dick was limper than a wet noodle

Tren Ace gave me a horrible reactioin where I got very ill and couldnt sleep, where as Tren Enan didnt do that, it bulked me up good but I lost it all post cycle. I dont think I will use tren again.