So sick of this - HERE'S THE TRUTH!

[g.r.o.w.t.h.]

500T+600EQ (mentioned going up to 1000 test)
9-12iu pharma GH
slin for several years in early 2000s
dbol and anadrol, Anadrol the last couple years he competed
winny and halo the last few weeks before shows.
Parabolan@ 2amps/wk when he still could get them
Fina pellets/Tren but nowhere near the doses of 700mg/wk
Clen 4-5tabs(I'm guessing 20mcg ea).
Coming off yearly for 10-12wks
Switching compounds every 4 weeks or so
Switching to Prop at a given point and removing all injectables 2-3 weeks out.

I am really not sure why you guys are calling bullshit on the possibility of this being as accurate as memory can provide... his genetics and drive were pretty fucking amazing. I think he is the greatest ambassador in the history of bodybuilding... 4 Mr O's and 5-6 2nd place finishes..and 3 consecutive Arnolds.

Jay trying to play the size game and catch Ronnie. Year after year coming in second...and didnt push the dose beyond standard gym rat use (other than maybe the pharma gh) to try and beat him? ... Come on man

 

[hawkmoon]

Jay trying to play the size game and catch Ronnie. Year after year coming in second...and didnt push the dose beyond standard gym rat use (other than maybe the pharma gh) to try and beat him? ... Come on man

I can't speak for @Knight9 or Jay Cutler, but there is a point of diminishing returns. After a certain dosage, more works against you as it makes you feel ill and impairs your workouts and appetite.
Gym rats will often pile on more at this points, intelligent competitors listen to their body.

 

[b-boy]

I can't speak for @Knight9 or Jay Cutler, but there is a point of diminishing returns. After a certain dosage, more works against you as it makes you feel ill and impairs your workouts and appetite.
Gym rats will often pile on more at this points, intelligent competitors listen to their body.

 

[g.r.o.w.t.h.]

I can't speak for @Knight9 or Jay Cutler, but there is a point of diminishing returns. After a certain dosage, more works against you as it makes you feel ill and impairs your workouts and appetite.
Gym rats will often pile on more at this points, intelligent competitors listen to their body.

I don’t disagree with your statement on diminishing returns, but, I have a hard time believing that point was 500mg test and 300 tren or whatever Cutler said he did. Do I think he took 10g/week? No, I don’t. Do I think he (especially in the years he was chasing Ronnie) took considerably more than he stated in this interview? Absolutely.

 

[tony touch]

thanks big A

 

[iwantmass]

Bumping per bbxtreme's post

 

[tinypeter]

Very nice
Excessive body hair guess i just been a hairy fuck since middle school

 

[Doitagain]

Why this thread isn't a sticky yet?

 

[Bio]

Why this thread isn't a sticky yet?

It is

 

[Doitagain]

It is

My bad
Haven't seen it bumpd for a while and somehow made the wrong assumption...

 

[Jefe]

This site was always set up as an advanced site, where you can find TRUTHFUL information about bodybuilding, not bulshit and ideology promoted !

The word I always look over, “professional.” Not on purpose, I think life is hard, I have to laugh to get by. I’m not mocking, humor is my crutch.

Still, most of them are complete wrecks. They can't control bodily functions.

No comment.

It is pathetic though, when one orders a bottle and their credit card gets declined due to not enough funds. You think a 30+ yo would have his life in order more than that.

I’ve done this. I’m a nobody and it’s humiliating to know Big A know my card got denied.

This site was originally set up as an uncensored place where you can find the truth about advanced performance enhancing, regardless of consequences. It's getting back to that.

I will try to not stir the pot. Try. This place is home. The UG went kaput. Now Im here. Cuz all the the good stuff is here. I hate idol worship but fuck, this place is a hall of gods.

Take a step back and nod.

 

[Jefe]

finally....... perhaps we'll see people stop harping on shit about how they know a pro that does 750mg test a week and eats clean etc.

To be clear, eating clean is bullshit. Every INFLUENCER eats McTrump burgers and drinks only preworkots.

Finally

 

[Jefe]

Pssst, if you like this , then you will labeled a low dose soy boy like me

 

[marssel]

This site was always set up as an advanced site, where you can find TRUTHFUL information about bodybuilding, not bulshit and ideology promoted by people who generally have agendas.

This is the truth:

If your diet, training, health and rest are completely up to scratch, the more steroids you take, the bigger you will get. It's as simple as that.

Pros have got their diet, training (health for the most part) and rest up to a standard that works for them perfectly, but they are only the size they are due to the drugs they take. Don't beleive the crap from anyone, that they are not, even from the 'in the know' people that are on this board. Those very same people for the most part have used/use extremely higher dosages than what they preach. Why do they preach the low dosages? - various personal agendas.

Reality is that as a rule, 1g per week of test non stop year round is the 'off' time for the pros. Gear is added as it's obtained - no real detailed cycles as such. As long as they take the high dosages of gear, they'll grow (as long as the diet, training, health and sleep is up to scratch as mentioned previously).

Several grams of test per week, several grams of anabolics per week, up to 2g/week of tren, a shit load of orals, insulin several times a day year round, GH as much as can be afforded - 15 to 30IU/day, etc.

BUT, pros have the genetics to have their bodies accept the gear, and generally not get sick on it.

And ancilliary use is huge - liver aids to the max, anti-e's, dht blockers, cardio supps, cholesterol supps, etc.

Still, most of them are complete wrecks. They can't control bodily functions,
they pass out from walking a flight of stairs, they get drenched in sweat from tying their shoelaces. Gyno, baldness, dry skin, gout, excess bodily hair, acne, etc are ALL existant in virtually all of them.

It is not a healthy sport, drug use is ENORMOUS, but to ignore it and to preach otherwise is pathetic and not what this site is about.

BTW, Synthetek's books have on them who's who of current pros ordering Syntherol constantly. They ALL use it extensively. It is pathetic though, when one orders a bottle and their credit card gets declined due to not enough funds. You think a 30+ yo would have his life in order more than that.

Anyway, I'm sick of seeing the bullshit that has been promoted on this site the last few years. This site was originally set up as an uncensored place where you can find the truth about advanced performance enhancing, regardless of consequences. It's getting back to that.

Totally agree and I have been around a lot of big guys. The late 90s-2009 Texas crowd. I thought I was gassed to the gills but never really exceeded 1 gram test though did run it as a base for almost a decade. Now I’m finding out guys running 3-7 gms of test which no hate good for the ones doing it (and making money). I’ve come to realize the only guys who truly showed me all their cards were Gus and Art Atwood who would regularly shoot an entire bottle of SYD Australia (via Mexico) when he would stop by. Course Art is dead but his heart attack while falling into the pool at his apartment in winter after getting busted with a shit ton of ghb and rolls and getting out of county like immediately kinda makes me think he had help. A lot of the DFW pros like say Chulsey were tied to Dallas pro sports organizations and after gettting busted died strange deaths……speculation for sure-sorry for rabbit hole- my question is I’ve done the 10-12 iu of GH a day mostly all Lilly or Serostim and my carpal tunnel was so bad I’d sleep with my hands in pitchers of ice water. Do you believe that with GH 30 really is vastly superior to say 10 or does the effectiveness tank as the dose goes up?

 

[aHarness]

To be clear, eating clean is bullshit. Every INFLUENCER eats McTrump burgers and drinks only preworkots.

Finally

Wtf are you on

 

[Doitagain]

Wtf are you on

 

[Jefe]

Wtf are you on

It wasn’t me, it was the liquor

 

[stacker11]

Very, very well said.

 

[Ashop]

Been part of many Pros' successes over the years and have seen the amounts being used in the sport,,,Eye opening to say the least

 

[Game]

Didn't know all that. Crazy