Sperm and Steroids

FrancisK · Mar 16, 2017

Hammersmark said:
did you even read the article? it says the chances are lower.. it doesn't say anything about it can't happen.

it only takes 1 sperm to fertilize an egg.

Nobody reads your bs click bait articles

But I'm sure it includes an ad for n2semen which you guys take daily....

MooseKnuckles · Mar 16, 2017

My sperms were jacked when I was on AAS, and I also had 2 kids.

testo30 · Mar 16, 2017

My son was born a month ago. He was conceived while I was on test, tren, mast and orals.
Even if sperm count is low as long as the female is fertile it's pretty damn easy to get pregnant. Never assume that these drugs are keeping you sterile I know many guys who got their chicks pregnant while on cycle

Gunsmith · Mar 16, 2017

falseprophet09 said:
What do you guys think of the idea that taking steroids,or even just working out, could have some epigenetic effect on your children.

For those of you who don't know what epigenetics is, its when an organism switches on genes that were turned off in order to adapt to their environment. In other words, its an adaption because of something external.

There have been studies that show epigentics in play when rats were subjected to electroshock when they went after food; their offspring were born and were afraid of those certain foods without ever being shocked.

https://youtu.be/AvB0q3mg4sQ

My son is a beast. He's only 16 months old, is 35 inches and weigh 30 lbs. He looks like a toddler already; I wonder if its because I was geared up on and off for decades lol

I don't think so , my daughter (oldest child) was on the upper end of the growth scale , at 16 she was 5'6" 130ish pounds with her top 4 abs visible , strong as an ox and very athletic , we were corresponding with 3 division 1 colleges for both softball and volleyball going into her junior year.
This is in line with most other women on my dad's side of the family and I honestly don't think it had anything to do with my steroid use , I had only been using for a few years at that point.

Fast forward 6 years and my son comes along , he is on the smaller side of the growth scale but still in the normal range , he has great athletic ability but it's a struggle for him to gain weight , he eats a lot of nutritious food as that's what's in the house but we have to "fatten" him up to make weight to play football , he has a crazy fast metabolism that's totally opposite of my dad's side of the family but in line with my wife's , the brother in law didn't hit a "growth spurt" till his senior year of high school and freshman year of college which is the same as his father.

I know that genetics play a MUCH bigger roll in how your kids turn out than you life style

Alzadosghost · Mar 16, 2017

It's in the milk and the water....lol

Alzadosghost · Mar 16, 2017

I adamatly have to agree gunsmith. Iv searched like hell to find and overweight unathletic bald blonde person on my moms side of the family and there just isn't any. After seeing me my brothers and sister and my kids I'm convinced genetics are a key factor. It's enough evidence to convince me. Strong genes obviously seem to dominate weak ones.

Stewie · Mar 16, 2017

falseprophet09 said:
What do you guys think of the idea that taking steroids,or even just working out, could have some epigenetic effect on your children.

For those of you who don't know what epigenetics is, its when an organism switches on genes that were turned off in order to adapt to their environment. In other words, its an adaption because of something external.

There have been studies that show epigentics in play when rats were subjected to electroshock when they went after food; their offspring were born and were afraid of those certain foods without ever being shocked.

https://youtu.be/AvB0q3mg4sQ

My son is a beast. He's only 16 months old, is 35 inches and weigh 30 lbs. He looks like a toddler already; I wonder if its because I was geared up on and off for decades lol

Its a notional hypothesis there may be some transferable teratogenic chromosomal changes in male semen.

Anabolics are genotoxic, so yeah it's plausible.

...awaiting the hand-wavers screaming..."catechins are the cure".

Hammersmark · Mar 16, 2017

FrancisK said:
Nobody reads your bs click bait articles

somebody call a wahbulance. we got a whiny bitch here. let me guess, you can't read lol :headbang:

Hammersmark · Mar 16, 2017

testo30 said:
My son was born a month ago. He was conceived while I was on test, tren, mast and orals.
Even if sperm count is low as long as the female is fertile it's pretty damn easy to get pregnant. Never assume that these drugs are keeping you sterile I know many guys who got their chicks pregnant while on cycle

again it is all about ODDS. I know tons of guys who have conceived on a cycle.

1 sperm people, thats all it takes.

tenny · Mar 16, 2017

Hammersmark said:
again it is all about ODDS. I know tons of guys who have conceived on a cycle.

1 sperm people, thats all it takes.

ill take my genetically gifted stronger spurm over
99.9% of the rest of the public....

^^^^see what I did there....??

doug1 · Mar 16, 2017

tenny said:
ill take my genetically gifted stronger spurm over
99.9% of the rest of the public....

^^^^see what I did there....??

I don't see it, lol. The part about not using an uppercase "I" with a ' after the "I", or the way you spelled sperm, using "spurm" instead? Haha, you are genetically superior dude, maybe just not in spelling/grammar. But after my post the other night, neither am I.

tenny · Mar 16, 2017

doug1 said:
I don't see it, lol. The part about not using an uppercase "I" with a ' after the "I", or the way you spelled sperm, using "spurm" instead? Haha, you are genetically superior dude, maybe just not in spelling/grammar. But after my post the other night, neither am I.

LMAOOO....spurm

Lilleo187 · Mar 16, 2017

Are roid baby's born with defects?

tenny · Mar 16, 2017

well mine seem to have some sort of defect......

they don't listen for shit....so IDK...

doug1 · Mar 17, 2017

tenny said:
well mine seem to have some sort of defect......

they don't listen for shit....so IDK...

OH GOOD, we have genetically superior spUrm!

method2madness · Mar 17, 2017

animal71 said:
I wanted to discuss an interesting topic in our world. Sperm count. I'm sure many of you have been though doctors to check sperm counts etc. I know I have. Did you have issues with sperm count after long term steroid use? were you able to get your wive/gf/etc. pregnant? if not, what reason did the doctor give?

I had a few issues with sperm counts, a few times had arguments with the old lady. Even after PCT, sperm count took a long time to recover. Though I ended up having kids anyways. Too many

We just published an article about sperm count and steroids on evo, feedback is welcome:
https://www.evolutionary.org/sperm-count-and-steroids/

I was on cyp 400 mgs. when I got my etc.. pregnant

Kidding. When my wife and I got pregnant with both our boys I was on cycle cyp 400, eq 600 and winnyl 50 mg daily. Two great boys. AAS definitely NOT birth control.

overman · Mar 18, 2017

Evolutionary article

Some general feedback- clomid is one approach to influence spermatogenesis and fertility docs are using low to high dosages of HCG with/without Follistim with significant success. There is a large amount of empirical evidence attesting to restoring sperm count using a variety of treatments with well established algorithms. GnRH pumps, injectible luteinizing hormone, and others are now available for men with secondary hypogondism and azoo or oligospermia. There are published individual case studies of 10k iu of HCG 2x/week and well controlled studies using 5k iu of Hcg 3x/ week to restore sperm production and count. Even HMG can be effective for some folks. Docs and researchers have a good understanding of how restore sexual functioning but it's largely dependent on individual responses to treatment. And remember, give docs a break, I doubt most of us are 100% honest as we have various fears associated with reporting our use of 'supplements.'

For future articles, check out national treatment guidelines published by various medical specialties (urology, endocrinology, etc). They conduct large scale meta analyses or other evaluative process of current research to inform clinical practice. Are practice guidelines perfect? F no! It has flaws but continues to improve. Likewise, we represent a significant outlier among the medical community and thus, docs don't spend significant time exploring low base rate populations. Might a few specialize, sure? Ask yourself why. Most know the fundamentals but don't share our "passion or obsession."

get it in ya · Mar 18, 2017

tenny said:
yup.....had all mine while prepping for shows...

fully loaded....

you guys have no idea WTF you are talking about.

EXACTLY!!!!

MouthBreather1982 · Mar 18, 2017

This worries me as well. I also wonder what if my son is born with some androgen immunity to compensate for the all the test I have run. This isn't based on any science but just my imaginary fears.