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Mole
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Registered: Jan 2002
Location: England
Posts: 27
Stacking & getting weaker?
Hi All
Can anyone help!
I'm in the middle of a cycle about 4 weeks in and getting noticably weaker than when i started, on all bodyparts. I am taking Sus 500 week, Dec 400 week split into 2 and 4 Winny tabs a day all legit kit, Lots of protein and sleep and i can't hardly move the weights in the gym.
Any ideas?
Eg: 25 pullups before i started now i can hardly manage 9.
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01-22-2002 12:54 AM
Paul Bunyan
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Man, that sucks. Never had it happen to me so the only thing I can say is up the test to 1g/wk and see what happens. PB
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01-22-2002 03:03 AM
Phil Hernon
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QUESTION?
HOW LONG WERE YOU OFF BEFORE YOU STARTED THIS CYCLE? HAD YOUR LIVER CHECKED LATELY? I CANT SAY ENOUGH FOR SYNTHERGINE!!! WHAT IS YOUR BLOOD SUGAR LEVEL?? HAVE YOUR THYROID CHECKED ALSO. THIS SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING!!!
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01-22-2002 03:10 AM
Mole
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: England
Posts: 27
Thanks for the replys!
I was thinking of getting a medical check, because mid afternoon my face is the colour of a beetroot and my temps up. The same when i take large amounts of Creatine. Pointing to my liver.
Any Advise?
I've used liv products not much usel.
Any info on SYNTHERGINE would be helpful.
Better to Ingest than be Buddest!
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01-22-2002 04:23 AM
Paul Bunyan
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If your face is beet red then it may be your blood pressure. Could be radically elevated. Are you retaining alot of water? Synthergine works great for liver protection. My training partner started using it after a visit to his doctor. His liver enzymes were extremely high due to heavy drinking. He quit drinking and was using Synthergine @ 2ml/day and had blood work done 4wks later. Liver enzymes were back to normal. They also did an ultrasound on his liver and found it to be only one half centimeter larger than normal. The damage was all drinking related as he never uses orals. He has one more round of tests left and is continuing to use Synthergine until then. When I get ahold of the test results I will post them. PB
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01-22-2002 04:39 AM
Phil Hernon
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FATS
I BET YOUR FATS ARE REALLY LOW ALSO. ARE YOU TAKING ANY OMEGS 3 FATTY ACIDS? DO YOU EAT FISH?? SALMON?? TRY UPPING YOUR FATS, THAT CAN CAUSE A REDNESS IN THE FACE, A LACK OF FATS.
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01-22-2002 05:36 AM
xcelbeyond
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Location: West Coast
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Everyone's given you some really good pointers - Synthergine, Omega-3, etc. But - get your but into the doc's. You can still do everything else but get what's wrong diagnosed.
xcelbeyond
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01-22-2002 06:32 AM
IronMike
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hmmm...
I'd go with what some have said - how long have you been off? Maybe not long enough - if you had strung together a few long cycles, could be time to lay off.
Could also be fats - I find these have a fairly significant effect on strength and hence growth (ie if too low, go backwards).
TRy having a week off training, or just put in three moderate workouts - you may be fighting off something also. IronMike
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01-22-2002 06:55 AM
Mole
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: England
Posts: 27
Thanks for the posts!
It's been 6 months since my last cycle which was /Durateston 500 week, Deca 400 week for 6 weeks and then 200mg primobolan 4 weeks in upto week 7. My strenth gains and size went up on the same diet i am on now which consisted of.
(8 Cereal, 9.30 Protein, 11.30 tuna/Chicken salad Bread, 1.30 Protein 3.30 full Dinner, 6.30 Protein, 8.30 Cereal, 11.00 bed water all day long and lots of fruit. As well as milk thistle morning and night.
The slightest bit of fat i take goes strait on as fat. So adding fat is hard.
Any heavy Cardio i do seems to make my muscles pumped then when i go to bed and wake up i seem to have lost it all esp: the legs.
By the way i dicontinued the Primo on my last cycle for week 8 because it made me feel very strange?
Better to Ingest than be Buddest
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01-22-2002 11:38 PM
johan
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I dont know it this is just me but i have noticed that if i get a huge pump in my legs when i do cardio its always a sign that im overtrained.
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01-24-2002 09:42 PM
Phil Hernon
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FATS
CUT OUT THE BREADS, CEREALS, AND FRUITS!!!! WELL, CUT WAY DOWN ON THEM, AND REPLACE THEM WITH FATS. OLIVE OIL SPECIFICALLY!!! I BELIEVE YOU THAT ANY FAT YOU EAT GOES TO FAT, ITS BECAUSE YOUR CARBS ARE SO HIGH.
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01-25-2002 05:07 AM
Mole
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Registered: Jan 2002
Location: England
Posts: 27
Could medication for an Stomach Ulcer be to blame.
During these past weeks my acid levels have been up and Zantac was perscribed by a Phisician. Could the medication be affecting the Juice.
Better to Ingest than be Buddest
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01-25-2002 11:40 PM
Phil Hernon
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ULCER?
ARE YOU ON ANTIBIOTICS FOR YOUR STOMACH ULCER?
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01-26-2002 01:39 AM
Mole
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Ranitadine hcl to stop my ulcer bleeding.
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01-26-2002 03:20 AM
Mole
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Registered: Jan 2002
Location: England
Posts: 27
Tryed another shot of Sus. woke up with pain from my left shoulder to my fingertips and could hardly bend my legs felt like the muscles were going to explode. Done all the tests tongue and freezer all fine so i'm starting to think it was contaminated. Came from good supplier?
Should i let my supplier know?
Any idea's welcome!
Better to Ingest than be Buddest!
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01-27-2002 08:53 PM
Vinnland
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Maybe try this...
Bro, this may be stating the obvious but go see a doctor . Let's face it, it may or may have nothing to do with the AS, but you should never lose your strength unless you stop working out altogether. Just be straight up, and if your doctor is not cool find one that is. Get your blood done. Instead of spending your time trying to figure out why the AS aren't working, you should probably be making sure that you haven't gotten some kind of bacterial infection, or problem with your lymphs. The symptons you describe...AS or not...are worthy of a trip to the doc. Even if it turns out to be nothing, at least you have some peace of mind.
It's just my .02 Bro...but get it checked out...better safe than sorry
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: England
Posts: 27
Stacking & getting weaker?
Hi All
Can anyone help!
I'm in the middle of a cycle about 4 weeks in and getting noticably weaker than when i started, on all bodyparts. I am taking Sus 500 week, Dec 400 week split into 2 and 4 Winny tabs a day all legit kit, Lots of protein and sleep and i can't hardly move the weights in the gym.
Any ideas?
Eg: 25 pullups before i started now i can hardly manage 9.
Better to Ingest than be Buddest!
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01-22-2002 12:54 AM
Paul Bunyan
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Registered: Oct 2001
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Posts: 299
Man, that sucks. Never had it happen to me so the only thing I can say is up the test to 1g/wk and see what happens. PB
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01-22-2002 03:03 AM
Phil Hernon
IFBB PRO
Registered: Jan 2002
Location:
Posts: 180
QUESTION?
HOW LONG WERE YOU OFF BEFORE YOU STARTED THIS CYCLE? HAD YOUR LIVER CHECKED LATELY? I CANT SAY ENOUGH FOR SYNTHERGINE!!! WHAT IS YOUR BLOOD SUGAR LEVEL?? HAVE YOUR THYROID CHECKED ALSO. THIS SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING!!!
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01-22-2002 03:10 AM
Mole
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: England
Posts: 27
Thanks for the replys!
I was thinking of getting a medical check, because mid afternoon my face is the colour of a beetroot and my temps up. The same when i take large amounts of Creatine. Pointing to my liver.
Any Advise?
I've used liv products not much usel.
Any info on SYNTHERGINE would be helpful.
Better to Ingest than be Buddest!
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01-22-2002 04:23 AM
Paul Bunyan
Moderator
Registered: Oct 2001
Location:
Posts: 299
If your face is beet red then it may be your blood pressure. Could be radically elevated. Are you retaining alot of water? Synthergine works great for liver protection. My training partner started using it after a visit to his doctor. His liver enzymes were extremely high due to heavy drinking. He quit drinking and was using Synthergine @ 2ml/day and had blood work done 4wks later. Liver enzymes were back to normal. They also did an ultrasound on his liver and found it to be only one half centimeter larger than normal. The damage was all drinking related as he never uses orals. He has one more round of tests left and is continuing to use Synthergine until then. When I get ahold of the test results I will post them. PB
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01-22-2002 04:39 AM
Phil Hernon
IFBB PRO
Registered: Jan 2002
Location:
Posts: 180
FATS
I BET YOUR FATS ARE REALLY LOW ALSO. ARE YOU TAKING ANY OMEGS 3 FATTY ACIDS? DO YOU EAT FISH?? SALMON?? TRY UPPING YOUR FATS, THAT CAN CAUSE A REDNESS IN THE FACE, A LACK OF FATS.
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01-22-2002 05:36 AM
xcelbeyond
Better than avg BB'er
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: West Coast
Posts: 336
Everyone's given you some really good pointers - Synthergine, Omega-3, etc. But - get your but into the doc's. You can still do everything else but get what's wrong diagnosed.
xcelbeyond
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01-22-2002 06:32 AM
IronMike
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Registered: Jan 2002
Location:
Posts: 37
hmmm...
I'd go with what some have said - how long have you been off? Maybe not long enough - if you had strung together a few long cycles, could be time to lay off.
Could also be fats - I find these have a fairly significant effect on strength and hence growth (ie if too low, go backwards).
TRy having a week off training, or just put in three moderate workouts - you may be fighting off something also. IronMike
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01-22-2002 06:55 AM
Mole
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: England
Posts: 27
Thanks for the posts!
It's been 6 months since my last cycle which was /Durateston 500 week, Deca 400 week for 6 weeks and then 200mg primobolan 4 weeks in upto week 7. My strenth gains and size went up on the same diet i am on now which consisted of.
(8 Cereal, 9.30 Protein, 11.30 tuna/Chicken salad Bread, 1.30 Protein 3.30 full Dinner, 6.30 Protein, 8.30 Cereal, 11.00 bed water all day long and lots of fruit. As well as milk thistle morning and night.
The slightest bit of fat i take goes strait on as fat. So adding fat is hard.
Any heavy Cardio i do seems to make my muscles pumped then when i go to bed and wake up i seem to have lost it all esp: the legs.
By the way i dicontinued the Primo on my last cycle for week 8 because it made me feel very strange?
Better to Ingest than be Buddest
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01-22-2002 11:38 PM
johan
Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location:
Posts: 80
I dont know it this is just me but i have noticed that if i get a huge pump in my legs when i do cardio its always a sign that im overtrained.
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01-24-2002 09:42 PM
Phil Hernon
IFBB PRO
Registered: Jan 2002
Location:
Posts: 180
FATS
CUT OUT THE BREADS, CEREALS, AND FRUITS!!!! WELL, CUT WAY DOWN ON THEM, AND REPLACE THEM WITH FATS. OLIVE OIL SPECIFICALLY!!! I BELIEVE YOU THAT ANY FAT YOU EAT GOES TO FAT, ITS BECAUSE YOUR CARBS ARE SO HIGH.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
01-25-2002 05:07 AM
Mole
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: England
Posts: 27
Could medication for an Stomach Ulcer be to blame.
During these past weeks my acid levels have been up and Zantac was perscribed by a Phisician. Could the medication be affecting the Juice.
Better to Ingest than be Buddest
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01-25-2002 11:40 PM
Phil Hernon
IFBB PRO
Registered: Jan 2002
Location:
Posts: 180
ULCER?
ARE YOU ON ANTIBIOTICS FOR YOUR STOMACH ULCER?
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01-26-2002 01:39 AM
Mole
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: England
Posts: 27
Ranitadine hcl to stop my ulcer bleeding.
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01-26-2002 03:20 AM
Mole
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: England
Posts: 27
Tryed another shot of Sus. woke up with pain from my left shoulder to my fingertips and could hardly bend my legs felt like the muscles were going to explode. Done all the tests tongue and freezer all fine so i'm starting to think it was contaminated. Came from good supplier?
Should i let my supplier know?
Any idea's welcome!
Better to Ingest than be Buddest!
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
01-27-2002 08:53 PM
Vinnland
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location:
Posts: 11
Maybe try this...
Bro, this may be stating the obvious but go see a doctor . Let's face it, it may or may have nothing to do with the AS, but you should never lose your strength unless you stop working out altogether. Just be straight up, and if your doctor is not cool find one that is. Get your blood done. Instead of spending your time trying to figure out why the AS aren't working, you should probably be making sure that you haven't gotten some kind of bacterial infection, or problem with your lymphs. The symptons you describe...AS or not...are worthy of a trip to the doc. Even if it turns out to be nothing, at least you have some peace of mind.
It's just my .02 Bro...but get it checked out...better safe than sorry
