Syntheselen and Synthetine

[razter]

A few questions on Syntheselen and Synthetine. Sorry, these are all newbie questions and yes, I have already done the searches and read tons of info on the posts. Great Stuff!

1. I just received these and did my first injection. I am 118lbs so I did 1ml of each and plan on doing them twice per day. I know the instruction say 1ml per 55lbs of bodyweight, but I was reading a post by Big A that said you can do each on alternating days, instead of both every day. That's how he said he does them. ex. 2ml of Syntheselen today, 2ml of Synthetine tomorrow, and so on. Does this work just as well?

2. My glute is sore after the Syntheselen injection (I injected them separately - one in each glute; I read how someone's leg went dead for a little while, so I didn't want to take a chance on doing them together). How long does this stay sore? Can I do another injection here if this is still sore when I'm ready for the next injection?

3. I was reading that you should not do an injection more than 1-2 times a week in the same area. These two products require a lot of injections and it sounds like everyone is doing them in the glutes. Can I just do them in the glutes or do I need to stay with a 1-2 time limit?

4. Do I need to do anything to prevent scar tissue? I am using a 30g to inject.

5. On howtodoinjections.com, are the instructions and pictures for the glute the ventrogluteal or the gluteus medius?

Thank yoy in advance for your help.

 

[oldfella]

For your BW you will need 2ml per injection of each. Syntheselen works best when used ED. Because they are water based you can use a smaller pin. The reason some one got a dead leg from a shoot was they hit a nerve. Follow the directions on HOWTODOINJECTIONS and rotate your sites. But since you use a smaller pin and the product is water base you can go more often to the sites. Delts, tris, thighs, glutes........more than enough sites to rotate around. Great products from Synthetek. Good choice. But I ask, at 118lbs how tall are you? these are generally for weight/fat loss. Just curious.

 

[razter]

Thanks for the info. Yes, I am trying to get down to about 110, but seem to have hit a plateau so I'm using these products for the extra boost. I am 5'2" and female, so that is a good weight for me. I'm not sure if I can use all those sites for injections, but I'm sure I could use a few.

Still sore though from the Syntheselen injection. Any advice on how to get rid of the soreness or on how to do this injection without getting sore from it?

 

[Big A]

A few questions on Syntheselen and Synthetine. Sorry, these are all newbie questions and yes, I have already done the searches and read tons of info on the posts. Great Stuff!

1. I just received these and did my first injection. I am 118lbs so I did 1ml of each and plan on doing them twice per day. I know the instruction say 1ml per 55lbs of bodyweight, but I was reading a post by Big A that said you can do each on alternating days, instead of both every day. That's how he said he does them. ex. 2ml of Syntheselen today, 2ml of Synthetine tomorrow, and so on. Does this work just as well?

2. My glute is sore after the Syntheselen injection (I injected them separately - one in each glute; I read how someone's leg went dead for a little while, so I didn't want to take a chance on doing them together). How long does this stay sore? Can I do another injection here if this is still sore when I'm ready for the next injection?

3. I was reading that you should not do an injection more than 1-2 times a week in the same area. These two products require a lot of injections and it sounds like everyone is doing them in the glutes. Can I just do them in the glutes or do I need to stay with a 1-2 time limit?

4. Do I need to do anything to prevent scar tissue? I am using a 30g to inject.

5. On howtodoinjections.com, are the instructions and pictures for the glute the ventrogluteal or the gluteus medius?

Thank yoy in advance for your help.

1. ED is ideal. You 'could' get away EOD, but it's not ideal at all.

2. From your stats, I assume that you are a female? Then a 30g needle will NOT reach your glute muscle. You have injected in the fat. That's why the pain from the Syntheselen. You need longer needles, as both Syntheselen/Synthetine are IM products.

3. That only applies to oil based injectibles. You can inject water based every day in the same spot.

4. Again, you don't have to worry about scar tissue with these water based injectibles.

5. It's the ventro site on howtodoinjections

 

[razter]

Thanks Big A! Appreciate the help.

Yes, I am female. I am using 30g 1inch needles. These are too short? What length needle should I be using?

I had injected Synthetine in the other ventro glute with the same 30g 1inch needle and don't have any soreness at all.

Your howtodoinjections site is very good. It show exactly where you are supposed to inject. All the other sites and threads seem to show the ventro on the side or more towards the front. Very confusing.
I injected in the place you showed on the site.

 

[Big A]

Thanks Big A! Appreciate the help.

Yes, I am female. I am using 30g 1inch needles. These are too short? What length needle should I be using?

I had injected Synthetine in the other ventro glute with the same 30g 1inch needle and don't have any soreness at all.

Your howtodoinjections site is very good. It show exactly where you are supposed to inject. All the other sites and threads seem to show the ventro on the side or more towards the front. Very confusing.
I injected in the place you showed on the site.

1" is too short for the glutes, unless you are a male in competition shape.
For a woman it's definetely too short.

Synthetine will not hurt at all no matter where you inject it (IM or SQ), although it will only work if it's injected IM.

Syntheselen will always hurt when it gets injected SQ. IM it doesn't hurt. You injected it in the fat (sq).

 

[razter]

Oh! Thanks. That's probably why I get bruised from my B-complex injection too. They told me I only need a 1inch needle to inject IM into the glutes. It probably doesn't even reach the muscle. No Wonder!

So what size needle do I need? Can I use 1.25 or is that still too short?

 

[Big A]

Oh! Thanks. That's probably why I get bruised from my B-complex injection too. They told me I only need a 1inch needle to inject IM into the glutes. It probably doesn't even reach the muscle. No Wonder!

So what size needle do I need? Can I use 1.25 or is that still too short?

Minimum 1.25". 1.5" is ideal. You can get 1.5" 25g needles.

 

[razter]

Thanks. Will Do.

 

[razter]

Syntheselen - As time goes by muscle gets sore

Since I only had the 1inch needles, this morning I injected the Syntheselen and Synthetine separately into the outer thigh about 1 inch apart. Each was 1ml. The injections went fine and the muscle wasn't sore.. at the time. As time went on throughout the day the muscle started to get sorer and sorer. I only injected the Synthetine tonight and skipped the Syntheselen because I don't want both thighs to be in pain.

Is this normal?

Is this because my muscles are not used to injections. I've only injected B12 and B-complex before and I have to split the B-complex into two doses during the week so my muscle isn't sore (1/2ml each).

Should I be starting with a lower dosage to get the muscles used to the injections?
Or would it be better to split the dosages differently? Maybe two injections in two different sites, but mix the two products so there is only 1/2ml of the Syntheselen in it. Until, of course, I build-up a tolerance to it.
Don't know. Just things I thought of.

Would appreciate some advice.

Thanks.

 

[oldfella]

Yes the soreness you refer to is pretty normal since we are in "virgin territory" here. Pardon the pun. But as time goes by you will get used to the injects there. Do use the syntheselen every day though. You will get much better results from it. Again great choice of products from a great sponsor here. The combo of synthetine and syntheselen work really well together so run them daily. It gets much better as you go. keep us updated on your progress.

 

[razter]

Thanks

Thanks. I am going to cut down on the dosage then to get my muscles used to it and work my way up to the proper dosage. I realized that I've only injected twice in my thighs before; it was always in my glutes. My thigh is even a little sore from the Synthetine injection (not much, but a little).

Actually purchased and started using these products from all the posts and info on this board. Bought the Synthelamin first, but that will now sit in my drawer while I'm on these two products. Very helpful. Thanks. Yes, will keep you updated.

 

[oldfella]

You can use all three together. I still recommend you do 2ml of each (tine and selen) every day. You will not believe your results. Keep your diet clean and train your ass off......well not literally anyway! By not using the recommended dose for your weight you are only holding up your progress. There are no negative sides from these so your body does not really have to get used to anything. You only have to get over the every day pins. No big deal really. Take some before and after pics and keep a record of your results. All the best!

 

[razter]

Thanks Big A & Oldfella! I injected a mix of Syntheselen and Synthetine into the VG with 1 1/2 inch needles. What a difference! The first day I cut the dosage in half to make sure I could handle it. Everything went fine so I did the full dosage yesterday and today and will continue. Injecting into the VG is nothing like injecting into the thigh. Injecting into the VG is a dream.

I play competitive tennis and need to be able to move, so I can't have my thighs so sore or in pain.

Big A, I know you said I can inject water based every day in the same spot. I would like to just stick with the VG. Today I did both injections into the right VG, tomorrow I was going to switch to the left VG, and then continuing alternating between these two sites.
That really is A Lot of injections though.
Will that do anything to me over a period of time?
Do I need to or is it suggested to include any other sites?
If so, are there any other sites that will handle the injections like the VG does?

Thanks again for your help.

 

[razter]

Injection Pain

1. Did an injection this morning of Syntheselen/Synthetine (2ml - 1 of each) in the right VG (closer to the hip area) with a 25g 1 1/2" needle. The injection seemed to have gone fine, but not long after the injection it started to hurt. It's not like I'm in major pain, but I can feel it when I move and it's still very sore to the touch. I did asperate, there was no blood, and I don't have a bruise there.

2. Just did the second injection of Syntheselen/Synthetine (2ml - 1 of each) in the right VG (other side of VG away from the hip area) with a 25g 1 1/2" needle. Asperated and there was no blood. Did the injection, which seemed to go fine, but after I withdrew the needle there was blood.

Am I doing something wrong? Did I hit something and not know it? What is happening here?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

[Big A]

Thanks Big A & Oldfella! I injected a mix of Syntheselen and Synthetine into the VG with 1 1/2 inch needles. What a difference! The first day I cut the dosage in half to make sure I could handle it. Everything went fine so I did the full dosage yesterday and today and will continue. Injecting into the VG is nothing like injecting into the thigh. Injecting into the VG is a dream.

I play competitive tennis and need to be able to move, so I can't have my thighs so sore or in pain.

Big A, I know you said I can inject water based every day in the same spot. I would like to just stick with the VG. Today I did both injections into the right VG, tomorrow I was going to switch to the left VG, and then continuing alternating between these two sites.
That really is A Lot of injections though.
Will that do anything to me over a period of time?
Do I need to or is it suggested to include any other sites?
If so, are there any other sites that will handle the injections like the VG does?

Thanks again for your help.

Firstly, the quads are one of the most painful muscles to inject in. There are tons of nerves there. I refuse to inject the thighs, especially after I hit a nerve with the needle once and I had nerve damage for a year where I couldn't flex.

Water based injectibles will dissipate almost instantly. So they do not hang around long enough for any scar tissue to develop. Injecting needles in the muscle all the time though, can form some scar tissue. Use the smallest possible gauge you can.

Lateral delt head is one of my favourites. No pain.

 

[Big A]

1. Did an injection this morning of Syntheselen/Synthetine (2ml - 1 of each) in the right VG (closer to the hip area) with a 25g 1 1/2" needle. The injection seemed to have gone fine, but not long after the injection it started to hurt. It's not like I'm in major pain, but I can feel it when I move and it's still very sore to the touch. I did asperate, there was no blood, and I don't have a bruise there.

2. Just did the second injection of Syntheselen/Synthetine (2ml - 1 of each) in the right VG (other side of VG away from the hip area) with a 25g 1 1/2" needle. Asperated and there was no blood. Did the injection, which seemed to go fine, but after I withdrew the needle there was blood.

Am I doing something wrong? Did I hit something and not know it? What is happening here?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

1. It seems like you injected close to a small nerve. Not close enough for the needle to put any pressure on it, but close enough for the liquid to do so. Nothing to worry about.

2. The needle pierced a small blood vessel. Common occurence and nothing to worry about.

 

[razter]

Great.. Thanks!

Great.. Thanks!

 

[razter]

I AM WIRED!!!

I am WIRED! Just taking the Syntheselen and Synthetine 1ml of each twice a day (total of 4ml) and I am wired! Being so wired is causing me to not sleep well too. It's late and I am still up. Ugh!

Should I cut the dosage in half?

 

[razter]

Skipped the Syntheselen last night and this morning and feeling MUCH better. Still took the Synthetine though. Even though I'm taking the recommended dosage, maybe that's too much for me. I still feel it, but I'm not buzzing around so fast anymore. lol It was like.. Whoosh.. There I would go. lol Played tennis tonight and then hit the gym. Seems to have brought me down a little.

So would I be better;
still taking both and cutting the dosage in half?
or
taking a full dosage of each every other day?
or
another suggestion ????