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The 90s....

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Had to have produced the best bodies the world has ever seen . I 'd say the late 80s to early 90s bbing also had it's most mainstream appeal. Guys like Arnold , Van Damme , Stallone were huge at the box office..Espn covered bbing and had severals shows related to bbing....every gym or even bar featured tons of fit bodies........juice was everywhere , and not talked about or really frowned upon........

But like all good things ......it came to an end . 91 the steroid control act was passed .....and bbing destroyed it's self trying to become bigger and freakier . It backfired .......it alienated itself from the masses .......become an obvious target to the anti steriod propaganda .............and look at the casualities......wow


usa mattazzo.....heart probs ....very ill
usa flex .......kidney failure transplant
nationals chris duffy ......gay porn , prostitute, drug issues
usa chris cormier .....several arrests ....health probs ....money issues
usa mike francious colitus ...career ended
Nationals Don Long kidney failure ........
Usa Tom prince kidney failure
usa Phil hernon ......arrest ....some health
North American Stan Mcary curly top.......arrest
North American Paul dillett ......arrest
Usa Craig Titus .....murder .....drug addict ....con man....
Usa Denis James .....arrest
Nationals Paul Demayo......dead drug over dose
Nationals Robert Washington.....arrest...
usa Denis Newman .....lekemia.....rec issues.....money troubles
Thats just top heavy wt names off the top of my head .......wow ....that was my generation......scary the price they paid to look that amazing .If some one put up the top ten placings of all the national shows 90 - 99 it would be interesting to see just how bad it would really look........Besides Jay , Melvin ,Bob Chic , Tony Freeman, and Denis James most are sick......dead ...or financially ruined......

It 's funny as that was my generation......from knowing to active pros these days ....and from my inside knowlegde from back then ......I'd say doses are higher today ....especially with test ......I 'd say gh and insulin are used in higher ammounts [was much more expensive back then ]. But I think the probs back then were the recs......seemed like 80% or more were abusing pain meds , ghb , and nubain......plus smoking pot .....and hitting the powder as well........quite a few got mixed up in the swinging lifestyle .....and the drugs seemed to make it ok ........I think guys were trying to get extra hard with the new size they were putting on .......and that lead to alot of problems .........


I 'd say today ......guys don't push as hard for that mid 90s look......even titus had told me it wasn't worth trying to chase what turned him pro.....I think todays days look is healthier on the kidneys......but the heart will pay later for the increase in size......and with most guys being up around 8 ius of gh or higher .....cancer will start hitting some of these guys in the next 10 yrs I am afraid ....


When you compare the 80s guys Haney ...looks great ...wealthy Strydom ....healthy wealthy...looks great......Gaspari ....healthy ....wealthy ....looks great.....Labrada....healthy wealthy looks great........Beckles ....still training guys at 70ish and looks great....Lou ...looks great doing well.......Demay looks great doing well........Benfatto ...looks great.........Taylor ....looks great ...doing well....Samier looks great ...doing well....Other than christian....drug probs...and Wilkcoz ...alcoholic...Most of these guys did well for themselves and still look great


I 'd say 93 -95 was the peak of bbing ......[Flex and Dillet at the 93 arnold were insane ] Sure ...Some of the guys of today could compete with or even beat some of those 90s guys .......but man, what an era .......it is just ashame at the price it took to look like that .........
 
hey Jason..what about the ladies?

Gladys Portugues?....I think still married to Van Damm...Do you what ever happened to some them?

I would watch them on cable if I was lucky, and thought man, I cant believe this.
 
add to that list.......

Curtis Leffler.....dead
Mo Benaziza.......dead
Andres Munzer.......dead
 
GREAT write up man.
 
hey Jason..what about the ladies?

Gladys Portugues?....I think still married to Van Damm...Do you what ever happened to some them?

I would watch them on cable if I was lucky, and thought man, I cant believe this.

Rachel McClish ,Corey Everson
 
It 's funny as that was my generation......from knowing to active pros these days ....and from my inside knowledge from back then ......I'd say doses are higher today ....especially with test ......I 'd say gh and insulin are used in higher ammounts [was much more expensive back then ]. But I think the probs back then were the recs......seemed like 80% or more were abusing pain meds , ghb , and nubain......plus smoking pot .....and hitting the powder as well........quite a few got mixed up in the swinging lifestyle .....and the drugs seemed to make it ok ........I think guys were trying to get extra hard with the new size they were putting on .......and that lead to alot of problems .........


Back at my HS it was 50/50. One of my "friends" and a couple of his brothers, were straight shooters, almost. They were the supplier (hormones) for our town. They did not believe in recs. However, they would drink like fishes. My buddy and his older brother would stack 6-7 different kinds of hormones, plus hit the alcohol. Some would only do moderate amounts. just like with recs. some did it, some didn't. This was from 82-85. My "friend" soared to 270lbs 6'2", with a 4.4 in the 40. He was 5'9", 15 when he began. He could also throw up 600lbs twice, on bench. His brother close to that. So, I think it's relative to who the person is. For instance, I could have did the same thing, chose not too.

Bottom line, I also know the Mr. teen ______ in the state I from during those days. He used considerably less, than the other two mentioned, and took this title. It's dependent on the individual, in my opinion, as to what they will abuse, not abuse. Also, genetics play into this "how much you do, and how much you don't". Some can get away with "murder", others, pay for jay walking.

Moral. Be wise, keep your health in the forefront, and moderation has always worked for most. Peace! good post Iabadman!




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Oldlifter......good post.....what happened to the two big brothers btw? Any clue? .......but I think most would agree that there are two types of potential in bbing.....First is your genetic frame work .....your structure , muscle shape , and balance......and the second is your response to drugs........many people assume that if they took drugs or high doses that they would be huge ,but I beg to different..........I have seen countless guys take tons of stuff and look awful ......some look untrained other than some bloat and ache.......I have also seen guys with great frames ,good shape , and balance yet not have a good response to drugs at all......I have known a few guys that felt like shit off even low doses and were very sensitive to sides.[ I was in the middle I would guess] I guess it is like rec drugs or alcohol.....I have tried most of it all and to be honest it just wasn't all that great for me so I didn't need to keep doing it........I have no need to follow along with the pack or escape reality.

I just recently attended a show with approx 3000 people in the audience ....I 'd say most were on something......I would also say I had a bigger better shaped body than most of the people there despite being clean for 14 yrs and not in training at the time.......why? Because I have trained hard and smart for a long time......and built a strong natural base before i touched gear.......But here is the thing....If I wanted to get on a national stage .....then I would have to gear up and would probably feel like shit, be battling sides , and would be hustling to find what I need ..........That's no different than many of the names were doing above[and they paid an expensive price in doing so ] .And after going through what I have and seeing the plight of others .........I just don't see the point.............I will always love those 90s bodies ......but to me it 's kinda like the prevelent photo shop of today......it just isn't real........
 
Looking back, it seems like there was a huge price to pay. I certainly am paying mine, but it also was more interesting. It seemed more acceptable to have being big as a goal, and less frowned upon. I will say though that that is the exact time I got interested and stayed interested and twenty years later am still interested in training, so it had some positive effects on me.

Rachel McLish was also one of my first "Oh Wow" girls.

And Old: Must call "slight teensy weensy Bullfeathers" on 270 running 4.4. The NFL paid too well not to hear of a freak like that, then again it could have been Julius Peppers father. It reminds me of everyone back then thinking there star high school running back was a "4.4" when the truth of the matter is very few broke 5.0 flat. LOL
 
Marilyn.......mmmm.....yes the late 80s and early 90s bbing ladies were smoking.......yummy ...yummy.......but the same disfunction that got the men ,got them as well..........I love my sisters of iron.....being a butt guy .....nothing like female bber booty....but when the clit that goes with it is bigger than my thumb .....yucky .....beards , deep voices .....hemroids......I 've seen it all and it bums me out......I realize to each each his own .....but the dealers of the 90s destroyed female bbing......and in a way ....I guess you could say I contributed and that makes me sick.......it was once a beautiful artist expression........now it is a trans gender show case..........sadly most of those 90s girls were destoryed......tonya knight in prison.......shelly beatie killed herself........mishay santoes died of aids......denise rutkowski went nuts......that list prob runs deeper than the men I am afraid .......more with mental issues than health thought imo
 
Looking back, it seems like there was a huge price to pay. I certainly am paying mine, but it also was more interesting. It seemed more acceptable to have being big as a goal, and less frowned upon. I will say though that that is the exact time I got interested and stayed interested and twenty years later am still interested in training, so it had some positive effects on me.

Rachel McLish was also one of my first "Oh Wow" girls.

And Old: Must call "slight teensy weensy Bullfeathers" on 270 running 4.4. The NFL paid too well not to hear of a freak like that, then again it could have been Julius Peppers father. It reminds me of everyone back then thinking there star high school running back was a "4.4" when the truth of the matter is very few broke 5.0 flat. LOL


Well, I can't verify at the moment. I could give you his name, but, I wish to remain enormous. I do know this for fact. he played for one of our MAJOR colleges in my hometown, for 2 weeks. The well known coach, kicked him off the team for being to abusive to the other players. he would not stop crushing them during practice. The coach, begged him to save it for the games *LOL*, he couldn't do it tho. this same guy, was run out our home town due to his multiple arrest. He came from a wealthy family. Option was, go to prison or move. *LOL*. I was told by others of the 4.4 run. I do know this tho. From hanging out with him, he WAS extremely fast. Nobody denied it. As matter of fact, he was called out many times in bars by people who THOUGHT, he wasn't fast *LOL*. I don't how many he hospitalized before being told to move, I do know, personally, I eyewitnesed several severe beatings he inflicted on people, before I cut ties with him. Why would I lie bro? I'm too old for that. *LOL*.




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Oldlifter......good post.....what happened to the two big brothers btw? Any clue?

yeah, I still see one of his brothers. the guy I'm talking about had to move out of state. He is doing fine, from what his brother told me. Has 4 healthy boys. Said he was still a House! his older brother (he has 3), the one who was major supplier got popped for it. He paid his way thru. This was before they were felonized. Still needed script tho. Just controlled-substance status. Problem was, he was bringing in by the truck loads *LOL*, via Mexico! His other older brother is a pharmacist. That's how the hook up occurred *LOL*. Nothing happened to the pharmacist brother due to the other one taking the whole rap. He had to pay in the thousands to go free, with a little probation. Probably, has to work with the feds, the rest of his life, as well. *LOL*.

Anyway, I 'm glad I didn't get to deep with him. I almost puked one time, from the heartlessness of him, after he pulled a heartless stunt at one of our local publix', I cut ties, then got married shortly thereafter. Non of his brothers mess with him either, just talk on the phone occasionally. Good thread bro.

BTW, do you remember a guy by the name of Steve Baldwin?




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It 's funny as that was my generation......from knowing to active pros these days ....and from my inside knowlegde from back then ......I'd say doses are higher today ....especially with test ......I 'd say gh and insulin are used in higher ammounts [was much more expensive back then ]

I couldn't agree more. I remember talking to you J about a few guys back in the 90's and we were both like "holy shit i cannot believe they are using that much testosterone!!!!". With our mouths agape.... (and come to think about it one of those guys is now dead and the other has had 2 heart attacks so far) ......now you look around this board and guys 200 to 230 pounds are saying they are doing that much and more. Its beyond my comprehension. Almost every single guy who I saw get heart problems or just generally got f*&ked up from their usage....it didnt happen at the time they were abusing themselves....it happened later, many years later in some cases. And thats where I think alot of guys on these boards have it wrong. "Well i went thru my cycle and nothing went wrong".......great, what kind of damage did it do to you when you step out of the shower 5-10 years from now and drop? thats the key.
A guy Imabadman mentioned up above in his post, his former doctor is my doctor....his freaking HDL was 4. Another guy that J and I know of whose first name starts with T who was a pro and in all the mags.....HDL? 2 -3 and he has the arterial wall plaque now to prove it in his 40's.
I am pretty sure when Boyer Coe was competing in the 70's and Danny Padilla they also thought "feeling good, no problems" with their cycles and neither EVER thought they would have to get bypass surgeries later on.
I am pretty sure Don Youngblood probably thought "hey i didnt start lifting till I was 36....my body hasnt gone thru the damage these other guys bodies have"....BOOM....cardiac arrest and dead in his 40's.

I really do believe this below is some of the problems

1) Just as important it is not to abuse yourself, its just as important not to let your own testosterone levels get really subpar for lengths of time as much as testosterone is cardio protective. I truly believe this is where Padilla and Coe and others made their mistake. They got off eventually for long periods of time instead of HRT doses and screwed themselves up. I kind of went into this all before in how a man (natural) disinegrates from the age of 40 to 60 and the regression he goes thru during that time. And I believe that is because his endo test levels are really lacking post 40. Now if you put testosterone usage in the mix (ala Coe and Padilla and many others) and then get off and walk around for a long length of time with an endo test level of 78 to 120.......almost just as damaging in my opinion as abusing yourself....and you will disinegrate both on the outside (which is obvious from 40 to 60) but also on the inside health wise.

2) on the other hand a great many bodybuilders just abuse themselves into heart problems (D'arruzzio, Youngblood, Sterling etc etc etc (and i could keep naming names but I dont need the pissed off at me emails, so i kept it with the people who have died)

3) Of utmost importance I think its so incredibly important to bring your bodyweight down in your 40's and 50's. I dont give a shit if it makes you feel like "throwing in the towel" on your bodybuilding glory. I have seen enough random stories now that I have personally come to the conclusion that the writing is on the wall....and if you really think you are going to see your grandkids and even your 60's walking around at 250 plus post 45 years old.....you might get a surprise (but youll never know the surprise because there will be a casket door shut over you)......The japanese have some of the most heart healthy food in the world.....The general population lives to 82.1 years old on average. Sumo's eat alot of Japanese food to gain bulk and on average live over 20 years less than the general Japanese population. Over on this side of the world....put 250 to 300 pounds, post 45 years old and the American diet into the equation and its a ticking timebomb. Now i dont mean you need to become skinny Joey, I just think the emphasis post 45 years old should not be on getting bigger or bulking up at all......and it should be on becoming the most cardio fit lean bodybuilder you can. If you have been walking around at 4 pounds of bodyweight per inch of height for quite a few years, its time to hone that down into a lean machine.....and in my opinion if you are post 45 and 5'9" 275, your goal should be to become a 240-250 pound cardio fit lean awesome looking bodybuilder....still big...still awesome looking but LEANESS AND CARDIO 7 DAYS A WEEK........looking out for the future......and making sure there is one.
 
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Totally agree Dante......totally......I'd love to see someone take the take the time to post the top tens of all the national shows from the 90s .....would be interesting to go deep into the list and see all of the casualities you and I could come up with.

I totally agree with your statement about test levels as well. One of the reasons I haven't started a hrt program yet as I believe once you start that protical you need to stay on it forever.......to stop would be a mistake......I just haven't found one I really feel comfortable with that covers all the bases .......any ideas pm me.....k ?


You have touched on this as well .....all the addition to fat burners and dehydration it leads to ....this is hard on both the kidneys and heart.......and it exploded in the 90s .......hmmm.....makes you think.....


I have known just about 20 guys personally that died from juice lifestyle or abuse type deaths .......thats alot and very sad.......I am not anit juice........but how many times does Dante have to spell it out........if you train hard for a few yrs , and your diet ,as well as sleep are on point as well..........you will look like a young demayo or cutler........easpecially on low dose gear......you will blow up..........for the rest of us mortals.......it is a life long journey........and if you look at that list above .......that ain't so bad.......remember fellas , " In bbing the tortist gets the hair everytime " lol.....I promise
 
..but I think most would agree that there are two types of potential in bbing.....First is your genetic frame work .....your structure , muscle shape , and balance......and the second is your response to drugs........many people assume that if they took drugs or high doses that they would be huge ,but I beg to different..........I have seen countless guys take tons of stuff and look awful ......some look untrained other than some bloat and ache.......I have also seen guys with great frames ,good shape , and balance yet not have a good response to drugs at all......I have known a few guys that felt like shit off even low doses and were very sensitive to sides.[ I was in the middle I would guess] I guess it is like rec drugs or alcohol.....I have tried most of it all and to be honest it just wasn't all that great for me so I didn't need to keep doing it........I have no need to follow along with the pack or escape reality.

Agree 100% bro. I wasn't denying this aspect. We were power lifters, didn't give FRANK about our bf%. Like you said tho, genetics played big time. I've saw same exact picture. I remember guys crying that they had been ripped off, I knew better. I helped unload a truck or two! *LOL*. Anyway, take myself, I finally gave in to the excruciating brow beatings i would have to endure by my buddy. took 2 bottles of "blues" 100 tabs per at 5mg's a pill. along with 2 bottles of test. can't remember the ester. was either cyp or enath. cycle was 4 months. I not sure about my starting bodyweight or ending, we didn't care. all our interest was in power. So, my bench went from 315 to 450. leg pressed 1400lb, can;'t remember what is was before that. I do recalling squatting 4 plates on each side before. Long story short, I responded superiorly, just like him. you are right about the genetics. also, we didn't have all this supreme diet methods *LOL*. It was balls to the walls while training, no ac in gym *LOL*, with metal rock. All we knew was to eat as much protein as we could. we would open the back door and front door of the gym *LOL*. I still was lean according to most people. my only fat area was my belly. *LOL*. But, I drank a TON WHISKEY AND BEER!


AFTER that run, I did them no more, also my buddies brother got popped as I mentioned earlier. and I got hitched. I continued to train over the years tho, just not balls to the walls. I put my family first. Also, I'm pretty banged up, f rom head to toe. hard to really lift like i use too.

Anyway, I did party, hence reason for not going into power lifting/football. I was a dope head for a few years. Anyway, met my wife and gave it up. now am a family man, and have been for 22 years now.




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I couldn't agree more. I remember talking to you J about a few guys back in the 90's and we were both like "holy shit i cannot believe they are using that much testosterone!!!!". With our mouths agape.... (and come to think about it one of those guys is now dead and the other has had 2 heart attacks so far) ......now you look around this board and guys 200 to 230 pounds are saying they are doing that much and more. Its beyond my comprehension. Almost every single guy who I saw get heart problems or just generally got f*&ked up from their usage....it didnt happen at the time they were abusing themselves....it happened later, many years later in some cases. And thats where I think alot of guys on these boards have it wrong. "Well i went thru my cycle and nothing went wrong".......great, what kind of damage did it do to you when you step out of the shower 5-10 years from now and drop? thats the key.
A guy Imabadman mentioned up above in his post, his former doctor is my doctor....his freaking HDL was 4. Another guy that J and I know of whose first name starts with T who was a pro and in all the mags.....HDL? 2 -3 and he has the arterial wall plaque now to prove it in his 40's.
I am pretty sure when Boyer Coe was competing in the 70's and Danny Padilla they also thought "feeling good, no problems" with their cycles and neither EVER thought they would have to get bypass surgeries later on.
I am pretty sure Don Youngblood probably thought "hey i didnt start lifting till I was 36....my body hasnt gone thru the damage these other guys bodies have"....BOOM....cardiac arrest and dead in his 40's.

I really do believe this below is some of the problems

1) Just as important it is not to abuse yourself, its just as important not to let your own testosterone levels get really subpar for lengths of time as much as testosterone is cardio protective. I truly believe this is where Padilla and Coe and others made their mistake. They got off eventually for long periods of time instead of HRT doses and screwed themselves up. I kind of went into this all before in how a man (natural) disinegrates from the age of 40 to 60 and the regression he goes thru during that time. And I believe that is because his endo test levels are really lacking post 40. Now if you put testosterone usage in the mix (ala Coe and Padilla and many others) and then get off and walk around for a long length of time with an endo test level of 78 to 120.......almost just as damaging in my opinion as abusing yourself....and you will disinegrate both on the outside (which is obvious from 40 to 60) but also on the inside health wise.

2) on the other hand a great many bodybuilders just abuse themselves into heart problems (D'arruzzio, Youngblood, Sterling etc etc etc (and i could keep naming names but I dont need the pissed off at me emails, so i kept it with the people who have died)

3) Of utmost importance I think its so incredibly important to bring your bodyweight down in your 40's and 50's. I dont give a shit if it makes you feel like "throwing in the towel" on your bodybuilding glory. I have seen enough random stories now that I have personally come to the conclusion that the writing is on the wall....and if you really think you are going to see your grandkids and even your 60's walking around at 250 plus post 45 years old.....you might get a surprise (but youll never know the surprise because there will be a casket door shut over you)......The japanese have some of the most heart healthy food in the world.....The general population lives to 82.1 years old on average. Sumo's eat alot of Japanese food to gain bulk and on average live over 20 years less than the general Japanese population. Over on this side of the world....put 250 to 300 pounds, post 45 years old and the American diet into the equation and its a ticking timebomb. Now i dont mean you need to become skinny Joey, I just think the emphasis post 45 years old should not be on getting bigger or bulking up at all......and it should be on becoming the most cardio fit lean bodybuilder you can. If you have been walking around at 4 pounds of bodyweight per inch of height for quite a few years, its time to hone that down into a lean machine.....and in my opinion if you are post 45 and 5'9" 275, your goal should be to become a 240-250 pound cardio fit lean awesome looking bodybuilder....still big...still awesome looking but LEANESS AND CARDIO 7 DAYS A WEEK........looking out for the future......and making sure there is one.


I've always been a big kid. Now that I'm around 270-275 working my way to 280+, I get worried. I get my blood work done, BP checked, etc... and eat as clean as possible. One thing I've promised myself... when I'm finished competing, I'm getting my weight down to the 210-225 range and shooting for more of a GSP look. I have no desire to be a 260lb jacked up 50 year old guy. It'd also be nice to go shopping at most stores someday. Right now I'm wearing 40/30 loose fit from Old Navy because that's the only store with non-ghetto attire with pants big enough.

One thing I have a question about is diet and training. Obviously the drug use today is heavier, but do you think that the bodybuilders who are eating REALLY clean foods and staying away from the rec use will be able to minimize any risks associated with heart/circulatory problems? Didn't the guys in the 80's and 90's pound down 3-5lbs of red meat a day with more saturated fat? Another big deal is that half of that "trouble" list orginally posted had guys that were using massive amounts of gear PLUS the rec use. I never hear stories specific stories detailing huge cycles (although they're assumed), but I hear legend-like stories of certain bodybuilders going through coke, XTC, meth, and opiates that make my jaw hit the floor. Most of these stories aren't whisper down the lane... they're "When i was hanging with (fill in arbitrary name), he went through an eight ball and 10 XTC pills within a few hours." I'll smoke a joint, but I might have 5 drinks in a calender year (if that), and I've never actually seen a "hard drug" in my life. You could hand me a bag of OXYCLEAN and I'd believe it was cocaine.

Any opinions on that?
 
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very epic post badman...really makes you think about the evolution of this lifestyle and just taking care of yourself in general. i remember back in the day when i used to wake up before school and they had that fitness show on ESPN early in the morning...crazy that bbing isnt even mentioned on tv at all anymore.
 
Great post Jason, really enjoy this thread. Back in the Arnold days, those bodybuilders are alive and looking good, Lou Ferrigno, Arnie, Franco etc. I wonder if they didnt take alot of juice but they didnt know about them much. I guess juice was new back then. Right?
 
Alrighty then, boys. Let's get honest! this goes to Dante,Phil,Jason, and all the other 250lbs plus boys.



Why are you still that heavy? Dante, aren't you the one who claims to walk the planet earth at 280 +? have you figured out how to bypass ill health at this weight? What about you Phil, aren't' you 250lbs or so? Jason, how about you bro? What about ya ll buddy, Triponin, something like that. doesn't he push 275lbs. Isn't he a health nut? super highly educated?

What are you guys talking about, I'm confused now. *LOL*




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Alrighty then, boys. Let's get honest! this goes to Dante,Phil,Jason, and all the other 250lbs plus boys.



Why are you still that heavy? Dante, aren't you the one who claims to walk the planet earth at 280 +? have you figured out how to bypass ill health at this weight? What about you Phil, aren't' you 250lbs or so? Jason, how about you bro? What about ya ll buddy, Triponin, something like that. doesn't he push 275lbs. Isn't he a health nut? super highly educated?

What are you guys talking about, I'm confused now. *LOL*




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Dante said he's going to bringing it down soon. Like he said, it's not a good idea to be 50 and real heavy.

Of course if you were all about health first and foremost you wouldn't do 'hardcore' bodybuilding or do steroids in the first place. Calisthenics, walking, yoga and low calorie diet would be the way to go.
 

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