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The chemistry of sex/libido in young people

ALLEX

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Alright, I know there are some really bright people here and please forgive me if this is off-topic, but I'm sure it's of interest to some/many of us.

I've read a bit on acetylcholine, dopamine, serotonin, GABA, etc, but would really like to understand this in layman terms, sort of...

So, an older individual (35-45+), fair shape, no major health issues. Takes care of his hormones, keeps test within range (albeit artificially), estrogen under control, doesn't drink or smoke, bloods are ok...

Erection is there, desire is there, interested in women, watches porn, etc...

But sex is just not satisfying as it once was. That feel of mission accomplished, relaxation and overall feel good isn't there.

What exactly goes on? Something related to oxytocin or brain chemistry imbalances? HPTA axis problems? Something related to Leydig cells being dormant?

So, wrapping it up, what can we do to feel like we felt once regarding these things? Or is it just one of those things that come with aging?
 
i guess when you do a bungee jump for the 50th time it just gets old.
 
your brain is older.........
 
I watched a few great documentaries and tv shows on the science of sex appeal, very insightful, but I don't remember where I saw them.

I history or discovery channel ran a sevral part series a while back and Netflix had some movies too.

im not certain what you are talking about is totally chemical, even though basically all of our feeling/emotion is chemical... but I think you know what I mean, in that not necessarily something that can be addressed through drugs... not sure though...

maybe its more of an emotional thing?
 
Alright, I know there are some really bright people here and please forgive me if this is off-topic, but I'm sure it's of interest to some/many of us.

I've read a bit on acetylcholine, dopamine, serotonin, GABA, etc, but would really like to understand this in layman terms, sort of...

So, an older individual (35-45+), fair shape, no major health issues. Takes care of his hormones, keeps test within range (albeit artificially), estrogen under control, doesn't drink or smoke, bloods are ok...

Erection is there, desire is there, interested in women, watches porn, etc...

But sex is just not satisfying as it once was. That feel of mission accomplished, relaxation and overall feel good isn't there.

What exactly goes on? Something related to oxytocin or brain chemistry imbalances? HPTA axis problems? Something related to Leydig cells being dormant?

So, wrapping it up, what can we do to feel like we felt once regarding these things? Or is it just one of those things that come with aging?

I think you've had too many sexy Brazilian women so you're bored. Therefore, ALLEX, I think you should share some of those perfect bundas with me. :D
 
i guess when you do a bungee jump for the 50th time it just gets old.

Good analogy. However, when you haven't done it for a long time, you crave it again. I don't want to get flamed for this or called a liar but I have slept with close to 150 women. After a while, you just stop caring or really craving a new woman. When you go awhile without someone new, on the other hand, you miss it and crave it again (kind of what I am going through now).
 
Without a good connection with your partner sex will only get less interesting as you get older. If you want to experience enjoyable sex you need to know your sex partner deeply or sex becomes no more than masturbation with a partner.

Intimacy builds sex and sex builds intimacy.....the closer you get to your wife the closer you get to live out your fantasies and desires.
 
I think everyone has made valid points. If you are having no problem getting erections and you have the desire for sex then maybe there is no scientific explanation?

You are saying that you just dont feel the satisfaction afterward, that doesnt mean that you have to be lacking in some brain chemical. Gravel makes a great point that maybe you just dont have a great connection with your current partner. I know in my life i have had certain women that I had a great connection with and others that i just didnt.

Johnjuan and Nothuman also make good points that maybe you have just been through a bunch of women and you are at the point where you are not stimulated anymore.
 
Thanks for your replies, everyone...

Trying to answer a few things:

- Not really into rec drugs.
- Don't feel like it's some lack of connection with partner. All I really needed when younger was a good piece of meat. (Sorry if that sounds chauvinist)
- Yes, my brain is older... Tell me more about it. What happens with the chemistry of the brain when it gets older?
- Don't really think it's emotional.

The thing is that sex and orgasm don't seem to release the same chemicals it used to release. That's why I mentioned dopamine and serotonin.

When younger, a good sex session would yield a few days of stress relief, relaxation, better mood, etc...

Now a few minutes after having sex I feel exactly like I was feeling before doing it... Weird.

I'm sure some guys will relate and will know enough to shed some light on this.

Thanks again.
 
This may help explain a few things.....it was a study comparing a healthy relationship/sex and your brain vs porn and your brain. I am not trying to say your looking at porn but maybe your feelings about sex in general may not be giving you the satisfaction you truly desire.


The Narrowing Process of the Healthy Marriage

In a healthy marital relationship, sexual intimacy creates powerful physical, emotional, and chemical changes:

A Narrowing Process: At the top of the funnel, the married couple enjoys a wide perspective of the world and the people around them. Then, as they become physically intimate, their brains begin to narrow in focus. Climax is the most narrowly and powerfully focused singular event that the brain can engage in. To make this happen, the brain must narrowly focus its attention and block out all distractions (work, the children, paying bills, etc.)

The Release of Natural Chemicals: To aid this narrowing process, the brain begins releasing a flood of endogenous (meaning produced from within) chemicals. These natural chemicals include the following:

Dopamine: Elevated levels of dopamine in the brain produce extremely focused attention. This chemical causes each spouse to focus intensely on the other at the exclusion of everything else around them. A release of dopamine is associated with craving and dependency in addiction, which may be why it can help produce a healthy attraction and dependency between the spouses.

Norepinephrine: This chemical generates exhilaration and increased energy by giving the body a shot of natural adrenaline. Norepinephrine has also been linked to raising memory capacity. Whatever stimulus is being experienced in the presence of this chemical is “seared” in the brain. This helps explain how a couple in love can remember the smallest details of their beloved’s features.

Testosterone: Testosterone is known as the hormone of sexual desire in both men and women. For men, however, it is the key hormone of desire, triggering feelings of positive energy and well-being.

Oxytocin: The flood of oxytocin at climax acts as a natural tranquilizer, lowering blood pressure, blunting sensitivity to pain and stress, and inducing sleep.

Serotonin: This natural chemical is released right after climax, bringing on a deep feeling of calmness, satisfaction and release from stress. Anti-depressant drugs like Prozac are designed to increase levels of serotonin.

The Experience is More Than Just Physical: As husband and wife move down the funnel together, there is more to the experience than just chemicals released in the physical body… the mind, heart and spirit are all joined together…

A Climax of Many Things: The final crescendo is a culmination of all the things husband and wife have shared – doing the dishes, paying the bills, raising the children, all that make up a marriage.

A pornography viewer goes through a similar process as couples in a marriage but the involved chemicals produce a completely different result.


The Narrowing Process of Internet Porn

When an individual enters the funnel through pornography viewing, the physical and chemical processes are virtually identical to those in marital sexual intimacy, but with some radical differences…

A Narrowing Process: At the top of the funnel, before beginning to view pornography, the individual enjoys a wide perspective of the world. Pornography addicts describe the top of the funnel as reality: their public self. Just as in the marriage funnel, the porn viewer begins blocking out distractions – but he is blocking out much more. He is alone. The object of his narrowing is pornographic images. Details of daily life, such as work and paying bills, slowly fall into disarray as the person starts blocking out all thoughts of God, his marriage, family, morals, commitments, and consequences…

The Release of Natural Chemicals: The porn viewer’s brain begins releasing endogenous chemicals. The viewer feels highly aroused – all of the stress, pressures, anxieties and pain in life begin fading away as his system is flooded with endogenous drugs. The viewer is able to self-medicate and escape the reality of life.

Dopamine: Elevated levels of dopamine in the brain produce extremely focused attention. This causes the viewer to focus intensely on the pornographic images at the exclusion of everything else around him.

Norepinephrine: This chemical induces feelings of exhilaration and increased energy by giving the body a shot of natural adrenaline. Norepinephrine also increases memory capacity. This explains why porn addicts can recall viewed images with vivid clarity years later.

Testosterone: Pornography triggers the release of testosterone which in turn increases the desire for more pornography.

Oxytocin: Oxytocyn acts as a natural tranquilizer. The individual seeks an Oxytocin rush to cope with the stress and pressure of life.

Serotonin: The release of this natural chemical evokes a deep feeling of calmness. Individuals turn to porn to self-medicate and escape the stress.

The Experience is More Than Just Sexual: There is a lot more going on in the Pornography Funnel than sexual arousal. In fact, if you remove sexual arousal from the process, any similarities to sexual intimacy in a healthy marriage would cease. While sliding down the Pornography Funnel, a tidal wave of conflicting and confusing images and messages wash over the viewer. Visual images are stored as emotional memories in the brain before the logic center realizes what has happened. When the logic brain catches up, it brings on a “fight or flight” type response. The adrenaline gland sends out cortisol, the “stress hormone,” which in turn activates myriad body-system processes to counteract stress. In essence, the entire pornography process is intensified and supercharged, far beyond what sexual arousal alone would accomplish. The human system is not designed to deal with this overwhelming level of conflicting stimulations.This is why many neuropsychologists refer to pornography as “visual crack cocaine”.

An Empty and Hollow Climax: When one uses pornography to reach climax, the brain desensitizes to the images, habituates to them, and eventually becomes bored. An increase in the variety of images and/or time spent on the Internet is required to maintain stimulation levels. In a healthy marriage relationship, sexual intimacy is only a part of everything else going on in the couple’s life. So when the couple “brings all of that into the bedroom,” it is highly unlikely that the brain will habituate to the sexual process.

When Reality Returns – the Hopeless Dialogue: When the porn viewer emerges from the narrowest part of the funnel back to a wide perspective, the heartless “drug-high” of pornography and climax quickly dissipate. Suddenly his rational thinking returns and the hopeless dialogue begins: “What have I done? What was I thinking?” He wasn’t thinking; that was the problem! Once he descends into the Pornography Funnel, he gives up his ability to “think”. The overpowering flood of chemicals overrides his cognitive thought and reasoning abilities. The frontal lobes – the logic center of the brain – are virtually shut down and the limbic system, which controls the pleasure/emotional center of the brain, takes over. (Kastleman, p39-57)

I hope you now have a better understanding of why pornography can be so addictive
 
Great read, Gravel.

This is the chemistry I'm talking about. So, how's this affected by age?
 
Great read, Gravel.

This is the chemistry I'm talking about. So, how's this affected by age?

Great question. In my opinion as men age they want to have a more intimate relationship with a woman but unfortunately many of us don't know how to get it. Something must be changing in us but I don't know exactly; I am on HRT so I know my test levels are as high as there were when I was younger....I am 50 now.
 
Hey so something really fucking weird about me... the first round I bust a nut, I don't feel anything !!!!!! but the second round, omfg, my whole body freezes and feels reallly good
 
So what happens if someone narrowed their brain with drugs and pron.

Are they just fucked, cause they got fucked up and fucked themselves. Hypothetically speaking.



Sorry I mixed my margarita to strong. 😉

Lets see if the wifey wants to play.
 

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