There is no bodybuiding gene

[hellraiser27]

For some reason there are people on the board who are obsessed with "genetics".
Every thread turns into a genetics debate. Instead of providing some insight into better ways to train or eat, or use aas, people just say " doesn't matter, the answer is genetics"
It's really getting pathetic.
Does anyone really believe there is a bodybuilding gene? Something that makes you predisposed to look like the judges on the Mr O panel want you to look like? Does this gene change over time like the judges opinion?
Many people argue that if all variables are equal, then the guy with the best genetics wins. This is not a reasonable argument.
First, all variables are never equal.
Second, the pros, and ams, figure out what works best for them and use it to their advantage to beat the next guy. What I mean by this is, for some people, diet is their secret weapon, others, their training, or their aas regimine, or some combination of all three.
But everybodies winning combination is different. The guy who wins is the guy who finds his winning combination and uses it to his or her best advantage.
Do you ever notice when you read in Flex or MF that all these guys do things differently. Sure, certain basics are the same. But each guy has his own secret weapon and they are never the same.
Sure there is no doubt that genetics plays a role in bodybuilding. But if you don't figure out how to take advantage of how your body works then it doesn't mean doodoo.
And think about it, the look for Mr O changes over time. No one is predisposed to look like this.
I could go on and on, but I'm sure it would fall on deaf ears.

 

[b-boy]

im going to be nice today and all im going to say is phil hernon had a good thread about genetics not long ago, you need to dig it up and read it well :st:r-wars

 

[tkav1980]

IMO the genetics being talked about in alot of these threads is the difference between most of us and the elite. i say fuck genetics! yes it matters but dont let that ever get in your way of trying to accomplish something great. those discussions are directed towards keeping people from abusing theyre health in the search for the holy grail of drug combinations. the way i read it was that there is no reason to jeopordize your body to look like flex. yeah strive to be the best, but keep your feet on the ground and in reality as to whats really important, your health and wellbeing. i hope thats what everyone else is getting out of those threads because i have a feeling thats what it boils down to.

 

[LATS]

SURE DONT LET IT GET RULE YOUR DAY.. BUT, DONT THINK YOU GO OVERRID IT EITHER.. genetics dont mean crap if you dont have desire and dedication.. but, if you dont have genetics all the desire and dedication in the world wont help ya..

always strive to be your best.. the key word is YOUR best..

 

[buselmo]

but, if you dont have genetics all the desire and dedication in the world wont help ya..

I tend to disagree with this. If you are refering to trying to win the O, then yes, i would agree. but if you are talking about someone who wants to look like a freak and be shredded, then i disagree. I have seen people who have tried their best for decades and looked like absolute fuck all when they competed with top amatuers. A couple of years later (noticed, they did all they could for decades and looked really good as a gym rat, and really bad competing in the top amatuer ranks) they looked fucking amazing and battled for the top 3 in every top contest.
training and diet will get you somewhere, but they can only do "that" much.
How would you explain someone who basically looked like absolute shit for decades, suddenly wins one of the top contests in my region in less than a year after he paid a top middle-eastern bodybuilder who is trying to get his pro card but can't due to "political" reasons (i think you know who i'm talking about) for some "advice", and it wasn't on training and diet might i add.
how do you explain someone who competed at 70 kg for his entire life (8 years competing at that weight) competes as a shredded 90kg within 18 months of his "new program"? the guy took out $8000 loans from the bank every six months... mind you, where i'm from, an amp of HG test would cost you $3. i'm sure those $8000 went on food and training programs.
Lats,
i know you are a low dose guy, and i am one too (not because of health or money reasons... i would be fooling myself if i said that), but someone who jumps from 750 mg test per week to 2 gr of test + 12 iu gh + 30 iu slin would gain a shit ton of muscle in no time. am i speculating? am i hearing stories? NO! how do i know this? because one of the people i have trained actually did that (well... not the amounts i mentioned, not even close)... he was basically on a total of 800 mg and couldn't get past the 75kg without gaining a lot of fat... within less than a year on double his dose, 6 iu gh per day, and 15 iu slin per day, he went up 12 kg without ANY fat gain. No, not much changed in his diet or training.

Genetics will determine if you get to 300 lbs looking like Kovacs or looking like Ronnie... genetics will determine whether your muscle bellies will look full and "pop" out or not... genetics will determine whether you can get down from 15% to 3% fat without losing muscle or by losing a shit ton of muscle (with regards to time).

For example... look at silvio samuel... do you think he can't get freakishly big if he wanted to? look at his video from 2001, he looked almost the same as he does now. why didn't he get bigger? it's genetics, yes! but what kind? he CAN get bigger if he wanted to... but look at how big and distented his gut is (gut, and not waist)... he knows it will get much bigger if he tries to shovel down the food and go crazy with the slin! can we say "he can't get bigger due to his genetics?" yes, and no. we can say "he doesn't want to get bigger because that'll ruin his waist"...

this is how i look at genetics.

always strive to be your best.. the key word is YOUR best..

exactly! best statement regarding genetics and crap ever! if your best means symmetrical and pleasing but not too big... it's doable. if your best means be healthy, natural, 5'10 at 175 lbs and ripped... it's doable... if your best means fuck health, get to 300 lbs at 5'10 at all costs no matter how it'll ruin your physique... it's doable... if your best means get to 300 lbs at 5'10 in the least damaging way while keeping your waist tight and symmetry good... you can't do that without genetics.


sorry if i offended anyone, didn't mean to. but it's just the way i look at it.

 

[Big_Truck]

I think many on here are confused with being competitive and being olympia worthy.

If we are all talking about being olympia worthy, I don't think anyone on this forum will ever be...... So if they don't have the genetics to be olympia worthy, they should just run 'healthy' aas cycles 500mgs or less, and always drink red wine on sundays.......... Because, why risk it, you don't have the genes to be the best!

 

[Big_Truck]

ALso, you have to remember.

Everyones definition of 'succeeding in the sport' may not be just going pro.

One could see being a successful amateur as succeeding & living their dreams, and will do anything to achieve this considering they knwo were they stand. Just because they can't go pro or don't have the genes , so why bother? is retarded.

One who sees himself going pro as succeeding is great if it is his goal, while someone else who is a true hard working freak could say to himself... Why do it just to become pro, when he finds anything less of a sandow a waste of time.

 

[terryd5150]

NO F_CKIN' SHIT!!!

For some reason there are people on the board who are obsessed with "genetics".
Every thread turns into a genetics debate. Instead of providing some insight into better ways to train or eat, or use aas, people just say " doesn't matter, the answer is genetics"
It's really getting pathetic....

YES!!!

"Genetics" seems to be the biggest EXCUSE not to try your hardest to be your best. I'm sick of it, too.

EVERY person can make severe and dramatic improvements to their physique if they are dedicated, disciplined, and seek the correct knowledge for what their goals are.

What I read the most on here is "you don't have the genetics to be a pro BBer." That's such horseshit. Are you gonna tell me Boyer Coe has "elite genetics"? The man had no f_ckin' abs!

I've never seen ANYONE carry a KFC bucket onstage at prejudging, at some point "genetics" went away and they had to focus on discipline, dedication, etc, if they were just "genetically predisposed" to look like a pro they would have ate like pigs, and probably partied right up til the show.

I also read no matter how much you "take" or train if you can't jump, shoot, and handle the ball like Michael Jordan, then you should just give up as well. Who said you have to jump, shoot, and handle the ball like MJ to be an NBA All-Star? (Go ahead and cut 95% of the current NBA roster if that's the case).


I agree, some pro bber's look better than others, and when it comes to symmetry, or maybe even asthetics in general, genetics probably does help to some degree, but I doubt very strongly that it is the sole determining factor, or even the most important.

 

[Phidias]

I think many on here are confused with being competitive and being olympia worthy.

If we are all talking about being olympia worthy, I don't think anyone on this forum will ever be...... So if they don't have the genetics to be olympia worthy, they should just run 'healthy' aas cycles 500mgs or less, and always drink red wine on sundays.......... Because, why risk it, you don't have the genes to be the best!

I like this post! Well said.

 

[buselmo]

I've never seen ANYONE carry a KFC bucket onstage at prejudging, at some point "genetics" went away and they had to focus on discipline, dedication, etc, if they were just "genetically predisposed" to look like a pro they would have ate like pigs, and probably partied right up til the show.

not true... some people use very low doses and eat rice and beans and look incredible!!!! it's the truth!!!
and some people are natural, diet is basically twizzlers and pepsi and look like one of the top 5 in the olympia!!!!

 

[Big_Truck]

I knew my friend had the genetics I could only dream of... When this genetic freak came out of his mothers womb I remember he grabbed the umbilical chord away from the doctor and started doing wide grips shouting , AHNOLD , AHNOLD, AHNOLD! AHHHEEEYAAAWWWWLLLLLLLLLULLLLLL!

I knew from that day on...not to even waste my time picking up a weight , because why work hard when I can't even achieve his perfection when he is only 8 1/2 months old.

 

[jcwill]

genetics arent an excuse unless thats what people say so they dont have to push themselves, but they determine how your muscle look and how the insert into shape and fullness you will have but i get tired so people saying the olympia competitors got where they are because of drugs only, cuz its the genetics shape, training program, and diet got them there, and bustin there ass in the gym and out of the gym, and when someone says if i took 2g of test a week and 30 ius of gh i would look like that too is a sad mistake because they live the lifestyle and push past where everyone else says i cant and they say i can, but genetics shouldnt stop u from bustin your ass

 

[concreteguy]

Multiple Genetics?????

im going to be nice today and all im going to say is phil hernon had a good thread about genetics not long ago, you need to dig it up and read it well :st:r-wars

If your going to hang your hats on "it all genetics", I guess those HUGE biceps on ALL of the male olympic gymnists are all predestined genetics at work? LOL? WOW what a coincidence! They must have not only realized their genetic potential for gymnastics, but also realized they had the genetics to BUILD LARGE BICEPS to perform at an olympic level.

Ya it allll makes sence know.

"Your body becomes its duty"

 

[b-boy]

If your going to hang your hats on "it all genetics", I guess those HUGE biceps on ALL of the male olympic gymnists are all predestined genetics at work? LOL? WOW what a coincidence! They must have not only realized their genetic potential for gymnastics, but also realized they had the genetics to BUILD LARGE BICEPS to perform at an olympic level.

Ya it allll makes sence know.

"Your body becomes its duty"

once again im going to be nice very very nice especially since in about 30 min im going to church

you can get big as heck, bigger than ronnie coleman, and you can get big arms, bigger than lee priest, but to have everything flow nicely together and be proportional, and to achieve extra low bodyfat %'s and still maintain muscle is genetics bro and if you don't think it is then all you need to do is go to nationals, everyone looks great especially in a picture by themselves, but put them together in a lineupe next to each other on stage and you can clearly see the ones that were blessed with great genetics.

 

[dragonfire101]

I still think its genetics.

I know people that take at least 500-600mg Test and 500-600mg Deca a week and even more at times, add in GH, drink 4-5 shakes a day with 5-6 meals and they look they barley lift. I been to the gym with these persons because they don't get it. They appeared to be loading up the weight and trying to push as much as they can and training hard. They go 3-4 times a wek to the gym.

That's just crappy genetics.


My buddy who eats McDs, drinks beer, who trains when he feels like it, averages 1 time a week looks better than the persons above.

Don't matter how hard that first person trains, how much gear he takes,how much he eats he will never be able to even step on a local amateur stage. He needs to do all that to look like he even lifts.

 

[nickyfregs]

It's all about REALITY. For those of you that actually COMPETE you will know what I am talking about. I have come to the realization that my genetics will only allow me to competitive on the local/state level. I know in my heart I can never be a LEGIT national competitor no MATTER HOW HARD I WORK OR HOW MUCH SHIT I TAKE.

How do I know this? B/C I'm a realist. When you train with enough HIGH level competitors you can SEE who has it and who doesn't. I really think unless you have competed you are kidding yourself about genetics not being important.

Some of you may think that's "giving up" or a bad attitude. Bullshit. What it is is REALITY.

Read DC's post in that Genetics thread and he nails it on the head.

 

[abolish the weak]

I still think its genetics.

I know people that take at least 500-600mg Test and 500-600mg Deca a week and even more at times, add in GH, drink 4-5 shakes a day with 5-6 meals and they look they barley lift. I been to the gym with these persons because they don't get it. They appeared to be loading up the weight and trying to push as much as they can and training hard. They go 3-4 times a wek to the gym.

That's just crappy genetics.


My buddy who eats McDs, drinks beer, who trains when he feels like it, averages 1 time a week looks better than the persons above.

Don't matter how hard that first person trains, how much gear he takes,how much he eats he will never be able to even step on a local amateur stage. He needs to do all that to look like he even lifts.

Truth be told right there!! I never used genetics as an excuse, but I'm well aware that I'm never going to do anything with bodybuilding career wise or for profit. That's just the difference between being realistic and chasing a pipe dream, not an excuse to train like a bitch. I love bodybuilding, and I'll always do it.

 

[Kaiser]

SURE DONT LET IT GET RULE YOUR DAY.. BUT, DONT THINK YOU GO OVERRID IT EITHER.. genetics dont mean crap if you dont have desire and dedication.. but, if you dont have genetics all the desire and dedication in the world wont help ya..

always strive to be your best.. the key word is YOUR best..

Exactly.

 

[concreteguy]

Don't be nice! I like it ruff!

once again im going to be nice very very nice especially since in about 30 min im going to church

you can get big as heck, bigger than ronnie coleman, and you can get big arms, bigger than lee priest, but to have everything flow nicely together and be proportional, and to achieve extra low bodyfat %'s and still maintain muscle is genetics bro and if you don't think it is then all you need to do is go to nationals, everyone looks great especially in a picture by themselves, but put them together in a lineupe next to each other on stage and you can clearly see the ones that were blessed with great genetics.

Of course the build of a person is genetic. But don't tell Jay! Then he might be subconsious about his size equator waste.This week it's X-frames what genitic flavor will it be next week?
I'm not to sure about diet and prep into contest/verses results, being genetics. I would rather think that every person is unique in the way they need to prep to achieve their best look. Maybe the examples of what you think is bad genetics for prep is just THE WRONG PREP for that body type?

That all being said, it seems that alot of members feel that BIGBOY muscle can only be acheived if you have the genetics to do so. I don't think so. I will agree that some may have "poor" genetics and will in turn be held back, but not the average. I feel that average genetics in a man or women is all it takes to stand on a pro stage (when it comes to building muscle mass).
Absolutely ALL things being the same,training,gear,diet,mind muscle connection,drive and tenacity,rest,guidance.

Being a pro and standing top ten at the olympia is a BIG differance. There will always be the best of the best. That is where genetics will play a hand in size.

Have you had your genetics tested ? If not maybe you should. It could save ya a bunch of bread.

WHY are you making vialed threats about verbal abuse? Hey bro, I'm not going to be left bleeding after reading a god dammed thing you got to say

 

[nickyfregs]

Of course the build of a person is genetic. But don't tell Jay! Then he might be subconsious about his size equator waste.This week it's X-frames what genitic flavor will it be next week?
I'm not to sure about diet and prep into contest/verses results, being genetics. I would rather think that every person is unique in the way they need to prep to achieve their best look. Maybe the examples of what you think is bad genetics for prep is just THE WRONG PREP for that body type?

That all being said, it seems that alot of members feel that BIGBOY muscle can only be acheived if you have the genetics to do so. I don't think so. I will agree that some may have "poor" genetics and will in turn be held back, but not the average. I feel that average genetics in a man or women is all it takes to stand on a pro stage (when it comes to building muscle mass).
Absolutely ALL things being the same,training,gear,diet,mind muscle connection,drive and tenacity,rest,guidance.

Being a pro and standing top ten at the olympia is a BIG differance. There will always be the best of the best. That is where genetics will play a hand in size.

Have you had your genetics tested ? If not maybe you should. It could save ya a bunch of bread.

WHY are you making vialed threats about verbal abuse? Hey bro, I'm not going to be left bleading after reading a god dammed thing you got to say

This is the single most retarded statement I have ever read on a message board.

If you have average genetics you can be a pro.

What shit are you guys smoking??????? Have you ever competed before???????