This story just keeps getting crazier........

[Ashop]

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[burlyguy]

That's crazy. But it makes sense, way to muscular and manly looking.

 

[eroc613]

Yeah that's hard hard one to debate about

I wouldn't know where to start.

 

[Huge_C2]

If she knew she was that would be one thing and should have been disclosed to the oly committee but if she had no idea its not really her fault. People are just upset because they cant beat her. if she was running with the rest of the pack not a word would have been said.

 

[MightyJohn]

& here I just figured her former East German coach turned another female into a male with loads of androgens

 

[Phidias]

Just to clarify... when they say "she has both male and female sex organs"... do they really mean it, i.e. in the sense of visible external genitals... both a vagina and a penis with testicles?

In any case, you can't blame her for something NATURE is the only culprit. And as for the problem outlined by Huge C2 of whether she knew it or not, well... if she did then she made the choice to be a woman. In fact she had no choice but to choose, since society won't let her be her true self, which is a he/she.

Society made her choose, she did, now let's just accept the fact that she won that race.

 

[asteelz]

so does that make her a male or a female? i dont think a hermaphrodite has testicles just a thoroughly enlarged clit.

 

[Jude2]

so does that make her a male or a female? i dont think a hermaphrodite has testicles just a thoroughly enlarged clit.

She has internal testes.

 

[617ricky]

I knew (s)he was intersexed!

 

[JETHRO TULL]

Yes, and the most frequent situation is surgery on infants.

Just to clarify... when they say "she has both male and female sex organs"... do they really mean it, i.e. in the sense of visible external genitals... both a vagina and a penis with testicles?

In any case, you can't blame her for something NATURE is the only culprit. And as for the problem outlined by Huge C2 of whether she knew it or not, well... if she did then she made the choice to be a woman. In fact she had no choice but to choose, since society won't let her be her true self, which is a he/she.

Society made her choose, she did, now let's just accept the fact that she won that race.

When the condition is discovered at birth the "decision" is often made which gender the child will be right then and there. I wish they'd leave the kid alone until they are old enough to decide for themselves or to remain as they are. I am interested in knowing if this person actually has both male and female external genitalia.

Either way, I agree with Phidias. If this was how she turned out, then live with it.

 

[Stewie Griffon]

some people are saying its not "its" fault if it was born that way - of course we all know this. no one is faulting her/him/it or laying blame (i hope).

the point is, it is competing as a female, which it is not, nor is it a male.

so if it has both set of genitals, what is it considered to be? well i dont know. why didn't it compete as a male? cause we all know that certain sports are dominated by men so if one had the choice to compete against males or females, picking females would be easier to compete with.

i am a guy, i always trained more like a powerlifter than a bodybuilder. there are 1000's of men around the world who would blow me away in powerlifting. if i were to compete among women powerlifters i would be world class.

 

[QStorm]

some people are saying its not "its" fault if it was born that way - of course we all know this. no one is faulting her/him/it or laying blame (i hope).

the point is, it is competing as a female, which it is not, nor is it a male.

so if it has both set of genitals, what is it considered to be? well i dont know. why didn't it compete as a male? cause we all know that certain sports are dominated by men so if one had the choice to compete against males or females, picking females would be easier to compete with.

i am a guy, i always trained more like a powerlifter than a bodybuilder. there are 1000's of men around the world who would blow me away in powerlifting. if i were to compete among women powerlifters i would be world class.

actually, you wrong, she is both male and female and she has chosen to live and compete as a female, therefore, she is a she, not an 'it' as you so delicately put it.

 

[Bigboychance80]

This is as crazy as them saying they want to ban michel phelps for being "super human" in the since that his body produces little or no lactic acid.

 

[phatrr]

When the condition is discovered at birth the "decision" is often made which gender the child will be right then and there. I wish they'd leave the kid alone until they are old enough to decide for themselves or to remain as they are. I am interested in knowing if this person actually has both male and female external genitalia.

Either way, I agree with Phidias. If this was how she turned out, then live with it.

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"The first point is to clarify some terms, which I think have been used rather loosely. The article says that Semenya is a hermaphrodite who possesses internal testes but no ovaries or uterus. Strictly speaking, Semenya is NOT a hermaphrodite, she is a pseudohermaphrodite (which is itself an inadequately broad term). "

Good site, good article.

 

[617ricky]

After reading another article, it seems she has some form of AIS (androgen insensitivity syndrome), which is what I was talking about in the original thread a few wks back.. I say this after reading about the undescended testes she has.. In this condition, the subject is a 46XY phenotype (technically male), but their body doesn't respond properly to androgens.. So what happens is, testes are first produced in utero, but all the other changes that should happen after, which differentiate a male from a female, don't happen.. So the external genitalia remains female, even tho there is no womb or ovaries.. It just goes to show you that by default, all fetuses are female.. When the child is born, there is usually no question on gender (which should appear totally female), but the clitoris could be enlarged in some uncommon cases.. At puberty, testosterone levels rise, but the body is insensitive to androgens - so little to no pubic/axillary hair develops.. And just as it's the enemy of many on here, some of that testosterone aromatizes into estrogen, which allows for breast development and other female traits.. It's not until a few years later that they grow suspicious when there's no menstruation.. The outlook is generally positive for these apparent female, except they're obviously infertile.. Sometimes the vagina is shallower than normal, but the patient is able to overcome this at home with a little device of some sort.. And lastly, Dr's will almost always recommend that the internal testes are removed, but the patients usually say they never feel the same after, even with HRT.. A complaint is their libido isn't the same, which makes total sense, since testosterone makes women horny (and they have pretty high levels of it).. And the females with this condition don't always look manly like this runner.. They're usually gonna look totally female, but usually be taller and with larger breast development than normal.. There are also other variations of AIS tho, where a the subject could appear male and have micropenis, but this is less common.

 

[MightyJohn]

WOW...hell of a post Ricky, hope that clears some stuff up for Us

 

[DinoHeavyD]

I think If it was to have its nuts removed it should still be able to compete as a female. You cant be running against women when you have a set of nuts pumping out test, even if those nuts are internal.

 

[Stewie Griffon]

I think If it was to have its nuts removed it should still be able to compete as a female. You cant be running against women when you have a set of nuts pumping out test, even if those nuts are internal.

simple and well put!

 

[Damaged]

I feel horrible for her. I cannot even imagine how embarrassing this must be for her. She has lived her whole life as a female, and to have this questioned, and then proven on the world scene would be something I would not wish upon anybody.

They claimed originally that she had 3 times more testosterone production than a female, which would definately give her an advantage against other females that do not use synthetic testosterone. But as well all know, or should, the nature of track been for years to take performance enhancing drugs if you want to be the best. With that being said, sure she has a natural advantage of testosterone production, but there are women on the elite level that that take steroids, and tesosterone and have exponentially more testosterone than Semenya would have naturally and Semenya is better than all of them except for the world record holder Jarmila Kratochvílová, who I can almost guarantee was on performance enhancing drugs. And where Semenya looks like a teenage boy, Jarmila looks like a full fledged man.

Picture of Jarmila Kratochvílová
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[RONJON]