Thyroid advice/help

[bigzzz]

Hi Guys,

So I quit GH for 1,5 weeks and did bloods:

TSH = 1.78mU(0.27-4.2)
FT3 = 4.82pmol/l(3.08-6.78)
FT4 = 19.95pmol/l(11.6-21.9).

So everything seems to be in range. Would you guys do anything about those(maybe a little higher FT3?) or are they okay?

 

[Gambel]

Your labs look fine to me. No reason to add T3/T4 at this point unless you are desiring to be hyperthyroid for some reason.

 

[jaxino]

Hi Guys,

So I quit GH for 1,5 weeks and did bloods:

TSH = 1.78mU(0.27-4.2)
FT3 = 4.82pmol/l(3.08-6.78)
FT4 = 19.95pmol/l(11.6-21.9).

So everything seems to be in range. Would you guys do anything about those(maybe a little higher FT3?) or are they okay?

Those labs are great, you don't need to increase anything.

Tbh if you take HGH i would just add 100 T4 and after 4-8 weeks test ft3 ft4 tsh.....

 

[Sully1234]

Classic example of why endocrinologists are incompetent and put our health at risk. They didn’t bother to check Free T3

Well said.

I once reported to my Endo that I wasn't responding well to my T3 even at super high doses. He said it was because I was "healthy" and if he took the same dose he would get hot and sweaty and experience hyper symptoms. Mean while he was a fat old f*** who hadn't been to med school in 30 years.

A hormone "specialist" who lacks basic understanding of how hormones work. Smh.

 

[Sully1234]

@nothuman I mean t3+t4

T4 has other effects on the body, it's not only there to be converted to T3... There's also T2 and T1 but that's the depth of my knowledge on this one lol.

Armour is made from pig thyroids. I guess it's the closest we can get to "bioidentical" thyroid hormones.

 

[Sully1234]

Hi Guys,

So I quit GH for 1,5 weeks and did bloods:

TSH = 1.78mU(0.27-4.2)
FT3 = 4.82pmol/l(3.08-6.78)
FT4 = 19.95pmol/l(11.6-21.9).

So everything seems to be in range. Would you guys do anything about those(maybe a little higher FT3?) or are they okay?

When you quit the GH did you feel less tired?

Your labs look pretty good to me. Only thing that could be better is FREE T3 is ideally in the upper 3rd quartile... Could add something like 200mcg Selenium a day.

 

[nothuman]

Well said.

I once reported to my Endo that I wasn't responding well to my T3 even at super high doses. He said it was because I was "healthy" and if he took the same dose he would get hot and sweaty and experience hyper symptoms. Mean while he was a fat old f*** who hadn't been to med school in 30 years.

A hormone "specialist" who lacks basic understanding of how hormones work. Smh.

Holy cow what a idiot

T4 has other effects on the body, it's not only there to be converted to T3... There's also T2 and T1 but that's the depth of my knowledge on this one lol.

Armour is made from pig thyroids. I guess it's the closest we can get to "bioidentical" thyroid hormones.

Yea you're right. The advantage of NDT (like Armour) is that it contains the whole thyroid including T2. However, whether it's natural or synthetic doesn't really matter because the body recognizes it in the same way.

I recently switched to synthetic T4/T3 50mcg/12.5mcg but I'd take the Armour thyroid instead if I went through a doctor and had the choice for the simple reason it contains the whole thyroid. Not a huge deal either way though IMO.

 

[Sully1234]

Holy cow what a idiot

Wish I could remember all the stupid shit I was told when I was showing them my T3 and RT3 labs being out of range.

Body dysmorphia... You're just depressed... Your TSH is fine, T3 doesnt matter, we just call that subclinical. Infuriating.

 

[bigzzz]

When you quit the GH did you feel less tired?

Your labs look pretty good to me. Only thing that could be better is FREE T3 is ideally in the upper 3rd quartile... Could add something like 200mcg Selenium a day.

Yea it was the GH tiredness for sure.

Those labs are great, you don't need to increase anything.

Tbh if you take HGH i would just add 100 T4 and after 4-8 weeks test ft3 ft4 tsh.....

Would you guys always take/start with 100 T4? Even on low dose(3.3iu or something) of GH?

 

[MouthBreather1982]

If your hypo, your planning to self medicate or see a doc? I'm getting more testing on mine but using a doc. Seems like from what I've read ug t3 isn't as accurately dosed as I'd want for a med measured in mcg

Yeah I was taking T3 before and I think my t4 tested high, but it could have pooling and not being converted. But ug in cap or pilll, could be like way over in one pill and low on the next

 

[MouthBreather1982]

Wish I could remember all the stupid shit I was told when I was showing them my T3 and RT3 labs being out of range.

Body dysmorphia... You're just depressed... Your TSH is fine, T3 doesnt matter, we just call that subclinical. Infuriating.

I had a nodule and had to diagnose it myself after years. Still don't think that's it, and maybe it's adrenal for me. but think of it like this, subclinical hypo is basically them not supplementing your thryoid working too hard regardless of symptoms till you reach an arbitrary number on tsh I believe. Here they all have that attitude like it's nothing you're fine. It's like optimize my health and life medically not just be clean up once I finally fall apart

 

[Gambel]

Yea it was the GH tiredness for sure.


Would you guys always take/start with 100 T4? Even on low dose(3.3iu or something) of GH?

You may want to reconsider repeating your labs after you are on the GH for a few weeks to deduce if you need to supplement and the initial dose. If you do need to address lower thyroid hormone levels, then I would recommend added a combined T3/T4 versus straight T4. At a low dose of GH, you may not need thyroid unless you have other objectives.

 

[Sully1234]

Would you guys always take/start with 100 T4? Even on low dose(3.3iu or something) of GH?

You thyroid is producing fine. Personally I wouldn't but T4/GH combo isnt really my specialty.

GH will increase the conversion of T4 to T3 itself so that might get you where you want to be with out any thyroid meds.

 

[MouthBreather1982]

I disagree with most replies.

First line of defense should be T4/T3 combo therapy. I’d get labs 3-4 weeks into this.

Unfortunately, due to the lack of competence in the vast majority of endocrinologists, I suggest self medication once you’ve had a full thyroid panel pulled before starting to take anything. An endo will probably prescribe T4 only, which may or may not help, and you’ll risk wasting a lot of time and effort. This is the mistake so many thyroid patients make and it’s an underreported epidemic.

I don’t think that dose of GH should impact your thyroid much.

The t3 meds or combos are expensive at the moment when bought in one’s own and the site I used refunded my money for something else