To Spank Or Not...!

[Big_O]

Ya know...I agree with tatto jr. here....Reasoning is something a child has yet developed...That's more of an adult spin on dealing with child....Do you reason with your dog?...No you give him a very timely correction...

Reason with a child...People like you are the reason our children are so disrespectfull these days...What about the next time a child gets out of hand then what....

I absolutely can prove that theory wrong....I've raised my children with spanking's as a tool...1 is a sophomore at UGA my son...my daughter is a senior in high school...They learned the answer no and proper behavior the usual thank you and excuse me....I always here compliments about there behavior..always,always very respectfull and polite..

Now my step daughter has never been spanked never had a dad she's 14 and the most disrespectfull girl I've ever met....Spolied brat will absolutely not take no for an answer...She will argue with her mother till she gets her way...She'll even pitch a little crying spell till she gets her way...she'll be 15 in a couple of months...I'm personally ashamed to even say she's my step-daughter because of her behaviors..FACT...She needed an ass kicking along time ago...I don't even bother with dealing with her because she's everything I never wanted my kids to be when they grew up...

That's the problem today...The fucking kids are ruling the roost...You touch me and I'll call the cops...We've totally have gone in the wrong direction...Kids aren't respectfull like they were before...

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Another thing I noticed...

I attended a Catholic school. I begged my parents to let me go to the local school. We had to wear uniforms and go from class to class single file. Girls on the left, boys on the right, assigned seating, the whole deal.

The teachers verbally scolded harshly when things even remotely became out of control. There was no physical punishment except for one teacher who'd give you a knuckle on the head (a noogie) if you were out of line.

I was completely shocked a few years ago during a parent visit to my son's elementary class. The teachers at this school are not even allowed to discipline in any way. Even yelling. The kids got "pink slips" which the parents had to sign. The classroom was utter chaos. I almost stood up myself and said "EVERYONE! SIT down and SHUT UP!" They had no compassion or respect for the teacher whatsoever. It was "Billy, please get back in your seat", "Jerry leave her dress alone please", "Class, class, stop that throwing paper please and pay attention because this is very important."

The children are not allowed to keep score during recess as this makes "losers" out of the losing team. No red rover because that's an invasion of someone's "personal space". They have a zero-tolerance policy which means if someone strikes your child, he can't even by rule, defend himself. During a soccer game my son got pushed and sent a child to the nurse's office with a punch in the stomach. The school called me and gave be quite an ear beating. I'm a believer in "reasonable force". I believe you not only have the right, but the responsibility to use ONLY that amount of force necessary to prevent someone from injuring you. I never punished my son for striking that child. I asked him if after he punched him did he continue to hit him? My son said no so that was pretty much the end of it. He's never been bothered by that child again.

Keep up the good posts.

 

[Big_O]

I too went to a catholic school...The nuns were as mean as anyone....Fucking lesbians...I got my ass kicked from grade 1 to grade7 and Had a choice to go to a catholic high school with the brother's..and these weren't the black brother's either...I said no thank you...They were fucking querrs too...dam homo's

 

[tornquad2]

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bro maybe that your step daughter not having a dad is the reason she is acting out.she might be protecting herself from the hurt she feelss inside and choices to act in a manner like i don't care but really she is reaching out for someone to love her and respect her.i work with juveniles in trouble i see it all the time give that kid love and direction and teach respect they turn around very fast.everyone has the right to dislepline there own way but there will always be the kid that got spanked that turned out bad no matter how much there parents tried and the same with the parents that talk it all comes down to respect and that is tought either way

 

[tattoojr]

I witnessed the chaos of elementary school while waiting for a feild trip. If the teacher was able to give kids swats as they did when I was a kid there would be alot more quite time in those classes. I could tell which kids knew that their parents wouldn't put up with that crap and which ones reasoned with those kids by the way they conducted themselves during class. Again this is not therory I know the kids and know the parents. The schools are so afraid of stupid lawsuits because parents that can't control their brats expect a sweet natured young teacher to be able to control them and when they get corporal punishment the parents raise hell. My daughters all knew that if they acted out in school where they were there to learn, they would pay the price at home, period. To this day I have not had a note from school about any misbehaving or even a bad conduct mark. Thats 3 kids,24, 21, and 10 . Not to bad. J.R.

 

[Geoffke]

I don't beleave in using violence, you want respect from
your child, how can a kid respect you this way?
You have to be a man who he/she can look up to.
When they did something wrong, talk about it AND punish them.
Take good things away like there videogames or things like that.
If they are good then reward them, with words....
It is proven bye studies that when a child is beating, when they
grow up, many of them have agressionissues.

If you really are a man... you don't have to beat your child or wife.

Geoff

 

[JETHRO TULL]

If the child continued to be disobedient the elders of the city took the child out and stoned then to DEATH. SOMETIMES THIS MIGHT BE A HUGE BENEFIT TO SOCIETY.

Heres where many err in their ways thinking its (STILL OKAY THIS DAY AND TIME TO HIT A CHILD). These individuals have taken part of the old testamnet of the Bible that stated it was good to beat their kids but have somehow very convienently (not brought forward the rest of the context that was written in that same time frame/biblical context saying adults were to be beaten as well). Did you catch that? I DISAGREE WITH YOU. I AM AROUND CHILDREN ON A DAILY BASIS AND WITNESS THE BEHAVIOR OF CHILDREN WHOSE PARENTS ADHERE TO YOUR IDEAS ABOUT 'SPANKING A CHILD BEING HEINOUS'....THE BEHAVIOR IS AWFUL. I WAS SPANKED AND IN NO WAY WAS IT SEXUAL...I CAN ASSURE YOU OF THAT.

OH BOY, most dont want no part of that but its okay to bully a child? PRUDENT DISCIPLINE OF A CHILD IS NOT BULLYING! WHERE IN THE HECK DID THAT COME FROM?? BULLYING A CHILD?? JEEZ....

Many kids now a days are acting out because they are being ignored-(DIVORCED PARENTS).

YES, THAT'S TRUE.......

SPANKING A CHILD...AND WE'RE TALKING A CHILD...NOT SOME 15YEAR OLD CHEERLEADER [IT'S TOO LATE BY THEN] IS ONLY PART OF THE TOTAL ARSENAL OF DISCIPLINARY MEASURES.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Hmm... sounds like there's a little spanking fetish kinda thing going on here. That's getting waaaaay off topic. Slapping fingers when they find their way close to the fireplace or stove or a swat on the behind for punching their little sister in the eye is one hell of a lot different then some high school teacher paddling a scantily clad cheerleader.

I think it's common knowledge that principles/coaches of middle and/or high schools get turned on by having a sexy cheer leader and/or a girl with a nice ass to bend over, grab her ankles, and listen to her scream out resembling an ORGASM when the paddle hits her nicely shaped butt/sexual zone. Step dads, uncles, etc do these very same things.

Good lord! That was pretty graphic depiction! With the audio and everything. I'd, uh, have that checked LOL

 

[Kaiser]

Learn Your Children

Here's my opinion:

First off, let me tell you my father is still to this day my true best friend. As a child, I was a terror. One of the reasons was I have A.D.D. Back then there were very few teachers who knew how to take care of this issue or were even aware. This being said, I would have never listened unless my father did what he had to do. He was in no means ever abusive, and what he did sometimes was needed for me to survive, and has helped me out even to this day. I think that children personally have gone off the wall with no respect towards society. They dont even want to work because they are so spoiled from their parents being so right-winged they think that giving children jobs/chores to do doesn't pay off in the future as an adult. They, in my book, have no idea what they are talking about. They also make it seem as if you are beating your child instead of disciplining them. Give me a break, if you told me to stand in the corner for a time out when I was a child, I would wait for you to walk away and scratch the paint off the wall for spite. Anyway, looking back at this, my father has disciplined me in such a way as to save my life, respect others, appreciate life and to have a moral instinct to always stand up for what I believe is right. Now at this point in my life, I truly believe he is one of the main reasons I am so successful as a human being and as a business man.

As a side note: What would you do about the A.D.D. thing? Medicate? Give me a fuckin break. Think thats better for a child? Drug them up so they are obedient? One of the reasons I am so good at what I do (computer field) is because my mind was never turned to mush with that shit. My father took the time to learn about A.D.D. and how to deal with it as a parent. He realized that people that have A.D.D. have a certain other gift. We concentrate on what we really like to do. We concentrate so much that we can't concentrate on anything else that we aren't interested in. He realized this by just watching me. From then on he allowed me to concentrate on what I liked which was anything mechanical or that had to do with technology. He wasn't so overbearing with trying to get me to get an "A" in English or literature. And for that I am thankful for I would never be as successful to this day.

Moral of what I am saying: learn your children, learn your children, learn your children. Not the other way around, it's your job. If you dont, they wont learn, and dont expect them to.


As a side note, I believe that a parent should be the only ones allowed to discipline a child in this manner. What I have always thought is that if an outsider does it, the child doesn't associate parental love/caring with it. The child knows the teacher, nannie, or childcare specialist however maybe caring they are, doesn't love them the same way. This to me sets a flag up. As a child I was spanked by nuns in Catholic school (until I got kicked out for A.D.D.). To this day a violent streak runs through my mind when I think about it. I think sometimes this is a derivative of violence, and not the parent administering discipline. Nobody will ever touch my child or I will be touching them. Also, if possible, and the parents live together, I believe that the mother should discipline the girl and the father should discipline the boy in this manner. But this is only if it is feasible.

 

[Big_O]

Way To Go Kaiser...!

Way to go KAiser...I too was a child that was extremely hyper...they tried ritalin and it turned me into a walkie zombie....We have extremely high I.Q's more so than most people..We learned things way to fast and we were interuptive and disruptive to name a few....I was hell as a child..I was an only child who was spoiled from the begining and then discipined later on...all right beaten...I too desreved it...

It turned me into a tough guy instead....I hate to use that term but that's the only way I can describe it....I was way to tough for m y own good...and it got me no where except an infamous past...Thank god i smartened up later on in life or else I probably would have been a criminal....

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I think the point has been illustrated to DEATH

The debate is obvious and will not and can not be solved in here.

While I think the responses went from benign to outright disturbing, it's clear that everyone feels very strongly about learning the correct ways to cope with a disobedient child. The underlying theme here is that we all obviously care - not just about our actions but the results of our actions. I think this is good and healthy thing.