Training reps and sets. Do you follow this kind of training?

[qbkilla]

I’ve been a top set/back off set guy for a couple years now. I had been a JP guy since 2018ish and even remember when he used to post on here. I have made some adjustments though. I stick to this setup for chest and back days as both respond very well to it and I can reach true failure without killing myself. But legs, I’ve had to go more of a volume approach as I train alone. I can truly squeeze out a top set on chest with a Hammer Incline, fail on a rep and let that shit drop. But try doing that on a hack or leg press, impossible training alone. So if I cannot go 100%, I have to go 80% for more volume to try to get that same response…just pulling levers on intensity and volume.
And like QB said, I don’t train shoulders and arms this way either. I have 1 progressive overload movement on shoulder day, the rest is high volume. Arms is always volume and both respond better that way.

Took your advice and cut out the heavy work for arms delts....now I pump them with higher reps, definitely liking it so far. Wish Ida been doing this for years .

 

[CBglock]

Love trying all kinds of new shit, but honestly, every rep to failure and 4 sets of am exercise has worked best for me over the years. Good write up!

 

[qbkilla]

One thing I don't like about the higher rep pump work I've discovered, failure is very ambiguous. 6-8 reps I can confidently say I always hit failure (legs, dead excluded). But when doing 20-30 reps, the burn kicks in tough to tell if I'm failing because of the pain/burn, or I literally can't move it anymore.

 

[Doitagain]

One thing I don't like about the higher rep pump work I've discovered, failure is very ambiguous. 6-8 reps I can confidently say I always hit failure (legs, dead excluded). But when doing 20-30 reps, the burn kicks in tough to tell if I'm failing because of the pain/burn, or I literally can't move it anymore.

It takes a little bit of practice. If you stop because of pain that's not failure, it's just giving up.
It certainly requires some mental toughness and focus.

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

No one did.. wtf

Nobody said anything like that bro

Guys my bad, I am a fuckin retard, I dont know how or what I read in the first post, but I guess I interpreted it as @beastmode121 was getting crap for this lol, but now re-reading I have no idea how, or why I thought that.

That is exactly how I train now. I usually describe the first failure set as "see the face of god" lol I did get that from the JP boards. there is just something primal about leaving it all out there on the gym floor. I never comprehend how some of these high volume guys train at 5-6 RIR?!?

While not quite the same, some components are similar, you may also enjoy Fortitude Training if you have the means to execute it properly. Probably the most fun training I have done in over a decade...

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

This training method is the most popular nowadays.

Some people even believe no other way of training is possible lol, this is the only shit that works.

Delusional.

I know right? like if you aren't doing this style of training it isn't worth doing or you aren't training hard enough or you're doing too much volume.

Paul Carter has entered the chat lol

 

[pistonpump]

Paul Carter has entered the chat lol

Wtf? Why because I stated the obvious? So what you're telling me is this is the only way to train effectively for adding muscle?

You're a douche just like Paul carter

 

[qbkilla]

Wtf? Why because I stated the obvious? So what you're telling me is this is the only way to train effectively for adding muscle?

You're a douche just like Paul carter

Paul Carter has gotten pretty extreme. I know he had a load reccomending side laterals heavy as shit in the 6-8 range lol

 

[beastmode121]

Wtf? Why because I stated the obvious? So what you're telling me is this is the only way to train effectively for adding muscle?

You're a douche just like Paul carter

He can be an Ass but I like his stuff. He’s smart about training style and research.

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

Wtf? Why because I stated the obvious? So what you're telling me is this is the only way to train effectively for adding muscle?

You're a douche just like Paul carter

fuckin damn dude, you are slingin some serious lead, it was just a joke

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

I will bounce on out of here if I am no longer welcome

 

[pistonpump]

fuckin damn dude, you are slingin some serious lead, it was just a joke

Ok sorry I took that as an insult lol.

 

[weedle]

In short:
First exercise

- Few warm up sets 10-15 light weight. As much I need to get the muscle warm

-then few “feel” heavier sets 6-1 reps

-1 set to extreme failure. As much reps I could get

- back off set 8-15 reps to failure again

2nd exercise:
1 to 2 “feel” sets , 2-4 reps

1 all out failure set

Maybe back off set if I didn’t get to 8 reps
Ect… sometimes I do 1 heavy failure set 6-8 or 8-10 reps

Since I started this kind of training, strength has shot up 20%
Anyone else follows something similar?

How many times per week are you working a muscle group?

 

[beastmode121]

How many times per week are you working a muscle group?

twice for most

 

[xpoc]

Paul Carter has gotten pretty extreme. I know he had a load reccomending side laterals heavy as shit in the 6-8 range lol

I was watching some old Dorian Yates clips. He went super heavy on side laterals for single digit reps too. I tried, but they just don't feel right. I feel like it is a total body effort to hoist up the heavier DBs.

 

[qbkilla]

I was watching some old Dorian Yates clips. He went super heavy on side laterals for single digit reps too. I tried, but they just don't feel right. I feel like it is a total body effort to hoist up the heavier DBs.

Yeah I've been doing the opposite, used to do 12-15 for sides but now 20-30, I feel the 20-30 rep sets a lot more in the target muscle. Bro science works lol

 

[tri-terror]

This is literally Phil Hernon's style RIP. JP learned from him no doubt.

 

[FK86]

This is literally Phil Hernon's style RIP. JP learned from him no doubt.

Jordan's upper/lower is pretty much Dante's two-way split with straight sets.

His PPL is like Dorian's '87-92 routine in terms of volume.

 

[RandomMachine]

One thing about Paul Carter I've wondered.

Does anyone who has gotten big credit Paul Carter for their success. I know he's got an app with a bunch of people doing his programs.

Also given how he's so confident his way to train is the only way...has he gained any appreciable muscle in the last 5 years?

I don't know the answer to either question, but for a guy so determined to point out how right he is and how wrong everyone else is...it does leave me wondering these type of things.

 

[graybass]

I had the pleasure to train with Dorian back in the day. His sets to failure were beyond my ability! I was training for PL so I thought my weights were heavy. Obviously not LOL!