Trenbolone vs. Trestolone?

[Reno911]

The only part that throws me off about this write up is it says—the body releases more insulin when glycogen levels are “low.” I always thought our bodies produced more insulin when our glycogen levels are “high.” Maybe someone can enlighten me on this one. I do realize that Tren makes your sugar crash. It’s not a good feeling.

Ya, not sure about that part and it is about 10 years old as well. I do however really think the appetite and lethargy is related to bile duct and liver issues. For me personally Tren has never affected my AST and ALT. Since it's been quite a few years since I ran Tren I wasn't getting my GGT pulled in those years.

I'd be curious to see if any Tren users have had their GGT pulled while on a decent dose.

My GGT was 18 on 100mg Tren Hex back in Dec. But as I mentioned, quite a few of the liver support supps were in play at the time.

 

[Doitagain]

How much trest do you usually run? How much ai do you use?

Went up to 500mg/week with Trest E and 75mg/day with Trest A
With low/no Test and Mast used no AI at all.

YMMV.

 

[Muay Thai]

Went up to 500mg/week with Trest E and 75mg/day with Trest A
With low/no Test and Mast used no AI at all.

YMMV.

can the trest in theory totally replace the need for a test compound In most cycles is that the general consensus/truth?

 

[mexbeast]

can the trest in theory totally replace the need for a test compound In most cycles is that the general consensus/truth?

IMO, no, nothing can replace test!

 

[Dieselboss]

can the trest in theory totally replace the need for a test compound In most cycles is that the general consensus/truth?

For me, hell no. Like @SouthernMuscle said, after a few weeks of very low or no test, you just start to feel like shit.

Once I added about 300mg of test a week in, it was much better. The biggest thing I noticed was my libido absolutely disappeared with just trest. Just felt better all around really.

 

[headtrainer]

Ya, not sure about that part and it is about 10 years old as well. I do however really think the appetite and lethargy is related to bile duct and liver issues. For me personally Tren has never affected my AST and ALT. Since it's been quite a few years since I ran Tren I wasn't getting my GGT pulled in those years.

I'd be curious to see if any Tren users have had their GGT pulled while on a decent dose.

My GGT was 18 on 100mg Tren Hex back in Dec. But as I mentioned, quite a few of the liver support supps were in play at the time.

I believe the lethargy from Tren stems from insomnia and a ramped CNS. The sugar crash from Tren is weird because it can happen just an hour after a big meal.

 

[headtrainer]

can the trest in theory totally replace the need for a test compound In most cycles is that the general consensus/truth?

I tried taking my test down to TRT level (I didn’t remove it altogether) and played with the trest dosage. I don’t recommend it. I felt off! Trest works best when you add just a little of it to a nice test base. Not the other way around as some claim. Same goes for Tren or any other compound for that matter. However there are always outliers.

 

[Muay Thai]

I tried taking my test down to TRT level (I didn’t remove it altogether) and played with the trest dosage. I don’t recommend it. I felt off! Trest works best when you add just a little of it to a nice test base. Not the other way around as some claim. Same goes for Tren or any other compound for that matter. However there are always outliers.

ty brother , will keep this in mind as I am on both rn

 

[SouthernMuscle]

For me, hell no. Like @SouthernMuscle said, after a few weeks of very low or no test, you just start to feel like shit.

Once I added about 300mg of test a week in, it was much better. The biggest thing I noticed was my libido absolutely disappeared with just trest. Just felt better all around really.

Ok i guess i should quantify what i meant by low test. 600mg sust/wk

 

[BaetrixReloaded]

I feel amazingly on Trest. I found that keeping Test low (a mere TRT dose or even no Test at all) makes water retention and BP literally a non-issue for me.
Needed no extra Telmisartan nor Nebivolol even on quite heavy dosages.
I use to run a moderate dose of Masteron alongside it generally.

yup x2. 210 test/350 Ment/350 Mast per week with a bit of GH sprinkled in was one of my favorite cycles. completely side effect free

 

[IntenseVolume]

I got more size and strength from trestolone. on mg per mg basis trest was about the strongest injectable I’ve ever taken.
I also didn’t get the mental sides from trestolone in fact I always got an increased sense of well-being.
I did get insomnia from it.
Tren usually makes me flat. Trest I stayed full and round even when calories and carbs were very low.

 

[Doitagain]

can the trest in theory totally replace the need for a test compound In most cycles is that the general consensus/truth?

Strictly speaking about my own experience, yes totally.
Mood, libido, energy and overall well being are supercharged.
No other AAS has ever been able to replace Test.
I admit that with some Masteron feels even better.

 

[jaxino]

If I'm honest, my creatinine and urea values are definitely higher on EQ than on Trenbolone - to be honest I've never had any disturbing blood results on Trenbolone.

Of course I'm not saying that trenbolone is great and you can take it without fear but I think it is in no way worse or more toxic than for example nandrolone or trestolone
Currently, I leave the use of tren only for moments when I want to look really jacked i.e. I will use it 4-6 weeks before some important moment for me, but it used to be present in literally every cycle I did.

I had same experience, EQ moved creatinine more than Tren.

It's always the dose that makes the poison, at 300-400 TrenE a week i feel fine and have no sides, if i double the dose i will have to fight with some sides ofc.

I think that in an "offseason" environment having a "low" ( for the actual standards) dose of Tren won't be that bad, at least from the bloods i did in the past and recently.


So now basically @luki7788 you rely more on test nand bold, like your clients and some of the pros i talked with. I mean in the end the steroids we can use aren't so many ^^

 

[Mufasa123]

I had same experience, EQ moved creatinine more than Tren.

It's always the dose that makes the poison, at 300-400 TrenE a week i feel fine and have no sides, if i double the dose i will have to fight with some sides ofc.

I think that in an "offseason" environment having a "low" ( for the actual standards) dose of Tren won't be that bad, at least from the bloods i did in the past and recently.


So now basically @luki7788 you rely more on test nand bold, like your clients and some of the pros i talked with. I mean in the end the steroids we can use aren't so many ^^

I always liked deca/tren stacked as an injectable base. Test is given. I found low and easily tolerable tren dose had some nice benefits with test/deca high and conversely high test/tren with low deca (I generally have 200mg in at a minimum for joints). One for growing the other for cutting/recomp/steady weight. Lots of ways to skin a cat but for my body and tolerances (no issues with 19Nors) this worked well and dependably.

Obviously high/low will vary by individual. High for me was 750/600/300-200 test/deca/tren and 750/500ish/400-200 test/tren/deca. More recent years tren ranges at 400 tren e (350 tren a) and 200/150 same.

 

[luki7788]

I had same experience, EQ moved creatinine more than Tren.

It's always the dose that makes the poison, at 300-400 TrenE a week i feel fine and have no sides, if i double the dose i will have to fight with some sides ofc.

I think that in an "offseason" environment having a "low" ( for the actual standards) dose of Tren won't be that bad, at least from the bloods i did in the past and recently.


So now basically @luki7788 you rely more on test nand bold, like your clients and some of the pros i talked with. I mean in the end the steroids we can use aren't so many ^^

why the fuck are you writing to my clients and bothering them lol

 

[jaxino]

why the fuck are you writing to my clients and bothering them lol

I made that assumption by reading the log that we have here.... Never asked to any of your guys anything.

 

[luki7788]

I made that assumption by reading the log that we have here.... Never asked to any of your guys anything.

I do not believe you

 

[Doitagain]

We can finally get back on topic, thank you Mod's.

I wonder how many of those who voted actually used both.
I have a strong feeling it's a pretty low%, judging by the content of many posts.

 

[headtrainer]

One thing I should probably mention is that some people experienced bone loss in clinical trials using Trestolone. I have a theory as to why. My kidney doctor noticed my phosphorus levels got low for the first time ever after I started taking Trestolone for 6 months straight. Low phosphorous levels cause bone loss. My doctor has me consuming more low fat dairy products and diet cola to keep my phosphorus levels in a normal range to prevent bone loss.

 

[Doitagain]

One thing I should probably mention is that some people experienced bone loss in clinical trials using Trestolone. I have a theory as to why. My kidney doctor noticed my phosphorus levels got low for the first time ever after I started taking Trestolone for 6 months straight. Low phosphorous levels cause bone loss. My doctor has me consuming more low fat dairy products and diet cola to keep my phosphorus levels in a normal range to prevent bone loss.

The actual explanation may easily be the reason why they abandoned the compound for further trials:
The dose of MENT needed to fully replace the anabolic/androgenic effect of natural Testosterone was so low that it caused HYPOestrogenism.