TRT/ HRT when would you add Nolvadex?

BALDNAZI · May 9, 2007

As you guys know I am on HRT and this is what Im on.....

200mg test cyp every week
4iu GH per day
250 IU HCG every other day

So far I am feeling great. I am back to normal mentaly and physicaly,sex drive is back, life is good, training is awesome and as I posted in another thread I am now over 250lbs again.

I have a script for Nolvadex and my doc told me to take it if I need it, but the script says 20mg a day. In the past I almost never did Nolva during cycles, but now Im thinking I should. I do not have gyno from the HRT but I definetly am still carrying alittle extra fat and water, could be estrogen.

Anyway, should i leave things the way they are or would say 10mg of Nolva per day make sense? And with such a small dose of test every week is it really neccesary?

Diesel250 · May 9, 2007

10-20mg a day should be fine especially for water retention.

Tom · May 9, 2007

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Tom

oldfella · May 9, 2007

BALDNAZI said:
As you guys know I am on HRT and this is what Im on.....

200mg test cyp every week
4iu GH per day
250 IU HCG every other day

So far I am feeling great. I am back to normal mentaly and physicaly,sex drive is back, life is good, training is awesome and as I posted in another thread I am now over 250lbs again.

I have a script for Nolvadex and my doc told me to take it if I need it, but the script says 20mg a day. In the past I almost never did Nolva during cycles, but now Im thinking I should. I do not have gyno from the HRT but I definetly am still carrying alittle extra fat and water, could be estrogen.

Anyway, should i leave things the way they are or would say 10mg of Nolva per day make sense? And with such a small dose of test every week is it really neccesary?

To be honest, if you are hrt for ever and ever unless you get any sides from the test there is really no need for nolva. Like your doc said, in case you need it. I don't think you will.

Conan21 · May 9, 2007

I agree with Old Fella.

I wouldn't even use it.

Pick up some Proviron if anything.

allbeef · May 10, 2007

Ditto

HRT shouldn't be allowing gyno although I do take armidex with mine.

Allbeef

A50# · May 10, 2007

allbeef said:
HRT shouldn't be allowing gyno although I do take armidex with mine.

Allbeef

I would suggest the Arimidex over the Nolvadex. You could try another AI like Letrozole or Aromasin.

dragonfire101 · May 10, 2007

Formestane/4-Androstenoldione………Increase IGF-1, 26%
Aromasin/Exemestane………..Increase IGF-1, 28%
Cytadren/Aminoglutethimide………….Increase IGF-1, 27%
Femara/Letrozole……………Increase IGF1, 24%
Arimidex/Anastrozole……………Decrease IGF-1, 18%
Nolvadex/Tamoxifen…………….Decrease IGF-1, 24%
Faslodex/Fulvestrant……………...Decrease IGF-1, %70

If you do end up needing something I would ask the Doc for Letrozole or Aromasin

A50# · May 10, 2007

dragonfire101 said:
Formestane/4-Androstenoldione………Increase IGF-1, 26%
Aromasin/Exemestane………..Increase IGF-1, 28%
Cytadren/Aminoglutethimide………….Increase IGF-1, 27%
Femara/Letrozole……………Increase IGF1, 24%
Arimidex/Anastrozole……………Decrease IGF-1, 18%
Nolvadex/Tamoxifen…………….Decrease IGF-1, 24%
Faslodex/Fulvestrant……………...Decrease IGF-1, %70

If you do end up needing something I would ask the Doc for Letrozole or Aromasin

Great info man. I knew Letrozole increased IGF1 but I had no idea that Arimidex lowered IGF-1 levels like that.

Paul Bunyan · May 10, 2007

Aromasin seems to be the one that causes the fewest problems. A friend of mine is on HRT and he takes 25mg aromasin/day. I think his HRT dose is 400mg cyp/wk and like 2iu GH/day 5 days/wk.

PB

VanR__ · May 10, 2007

Don't forget about anti-As and cholesterol.

txbencher · May 10, 2007

response....personal experience!

BALDNAZI said:
As you guys know I am on HRT and this is what Im on.....

200mg test cyp every week
4iu GH per day
250 IU HCG every other day

So far I am feeling great. I am back to normal mentaly and physicaly,sex drive is back, life is good, training is awesome and as I posted in another thread I am now over 250lbs again.

I have a script for Nolvadex and my doc told me to take it if I need it, but the script says 20mg a day. In the past I almost never did Nolva during cycles, but now Im thinking I should. I do not have gyno from the HRT but I definetly am still carrying alittle extra fat and water, could be estrogen.

Anyway, should i leave things the way they are or would say 10mg of Nolva per day make sense? And with such a small dose of test every week is it really neccesary?

I am personally on HRT, 200 mg/cyp. per week. I do not use HCG at all, neither do I use any prescription strength anti-estrogens of aromatase inhibitors. I do take 300 mg/day of DIM and I also recommend you purchase Lypopene for your prostate gland....I take 30 mg/day of Lypopene. I have tried Gaspari's Nolvadex XT before and it did increase my libido but I do know that Dave Palumbo recommends this product for those without a prescription.

Train · May 10, 2007

My HRT regimine includes:

- 500 mg Enanthate / week (I do it in 2 shots because Im old school I guess)
- 25 mg Aromasin / day
- 1.2 mg (3.6 iu) Genotropin / Monday through Saturday
- 3333 iu HCG Wednesdays and Sundays

My base T is about 1500 now (up from 32) and my igf is slightly out of the normal range. My Estradiol is a teensy bit high, and everything else is nicely in line.

And then I tore a pec.

After 10 years of abuse with impunity, I get injured when I get the shit legally. Go figure.

Tt

phatkid77 · Sep 28, 2007

where did you get the numbers for +- IGF%....online studies

phats

Golgo13 · Sep 28, 2007

You don't need it.

My HRT is 200mg also, been going about 3 years with no estrogen issues.

dragonfire101 · Sep 28, 2007

How you guys geeting GH prescribed for HRT. My doc will only prescribe test even thogh my GH levels are low. This sucks. I want 2iu GH ED.

GoneForever · Sep 29, 2007

dragonfire101 said:
Formestane/4-Androstenoldione………Increase IGF-1, 26%
Aromasin/Exemestane………..Increase IGF-1, 28%
Cytadren/Aminoglutethimide………….Increase IGF-1, 27%
Femara/Letrozole……………Increase IGF1, 24%
Arimidex/Anastrozole……………Decrease IGF-1, 18%
Nolvadex/Tamoxifen…………….Decrease IGF-1, 24%
Faslodex/Fulvestrant……………...Decrease IGF-1, %70

If you do end up needing something I would ask the Doc for Letrozole or Aromasin

Doesnt it only decrease natural IGF levels. If he is on 4ius GH, it woudlnt effect them right?

dragonfire101 · Sep 29, 2007

Doesnt it only decrease natural IGF levels. If he is on 4ius GH, it woudlnt effect them right?

I can't tell you for sure, but it has to be giving some type of negative effect by decreasing any type of IGF-1. If you could I would just ask for PRN of aromisin instead of nolva so you get the added bennifit of increased igf-1 and antiestrogen.

Caladin · Mar 22, 2009

Train said:
My HRT regimine includes:

- 500 mg Enanthate / week (I do it in 2 shots because Im old school I guess)
- 25 mg Aromasin / day
- 1.2 mg (3.6 iu) Genotropin / Monday through Saturday
- 3333 iu HCG Wednesdays and Sundays

My base T is about 1500 now (up from 32) and my igf is slightly out of the normal range. My Estradiol is a teensy bit high, and everything else is nicely in line.

And then I tore a pec.

After 10 years of abuse with impunity, I get injured when I get the shit legally. Go figure.

Tt