Ugl vs pharma question

[jake76]

Hypothetically if you're testerone level is let's say 1000 (or higher).. whether you got there through a ugl testosterone or a pharm grade through a trt clinic... is it possible to have better results from the pharm grade vs ugl even though you've achieved the same testosterone level either way... not only visually but better sense of well being? Bc it seems like once your body is at that number the results should be the same no matter how you got there, no?

 

[rAJJIN]

You will hear guys argue both ways, the majority saying it doesn’t matter.

I’m still on the minority side.
I’ll save all the examples as I have argued this in the past.

 

[Alan1]

I can't think of a reason why you would get/could expect better results from pharm grade vs UGL if hormone levels are equated between the two sources. You'd have to believe or think that the pharma product has some other magical properties that would impart better results or provide a "better look" than UGL. Or has fewer impurities that could lead to someone "feeling" better when using pharm grade. I'd say that's a stretch and perhaps you'd be dealing with a placebo effect: "This pharm grade test is just soooo cleeean, brah".

 

[Zamun]

You will hear guys argue both ways, the majority saying it doesn’t matter.

I’m still on the minority side.
I’ll save all the examples as I have argued this in the past.

Any link to the threads in which you’ve discussed this? I’m curious to see your opinion.

 

[Zamun]

I can't think of a reason why you would get/could expect better results from pharm grade vs UGL if hormone levels are equated between the two sources. You'd have to believe or think that the pharma product has some other magical properties that would impart better results or provide a "better look" than UGL. Or has fewer impurities that could lead to someone "feeling" better when using pharm grade. I'd say that's a stretch and perhaps you'd be dealing with a placebo effect: "This pharm grade test is just soooo cleeean, brah".

Do pharma companies such as Pfizer/bayer make their own raws? Or do they source it from china like UGL?

 

[cage99]

Used pharm test for a bit for legality purposes years back through a script… Can’t say I notice a difference between the two. I’m always over 1000 nowadays.

Cage

 

[TIO]

I run legit TRT all year except for summer i ramp up to a full blown cycle using UGL products. Couldn't tell you a difference at all. I have run UGL Test for TRT months before and switched to pharma, couldn't tell you anything that change nor did my bloodwork change.

 

[rAJJIN]

That was my question and thoughts as well.
Until we can get someone to explain that is
More knowledgeable on the production, it’s still questionable to me.

I don’t mean a ugl lab. Or a guy that adds oil and solvents……
I mean someone that works with and knows the actually production of the powder process and any or all variables.
From nothing at all to powder for sale.

My example before was things such as marijuana, ibuprofen, cocaine, generics vs pharma otc meds etc. low grade…
It may get you there, but does it all do the same exact thing.
I also argued bottom of the 3-5 yr old material vs fresh from the heart of the new batch.
We have all seen the powder guys in the past claim to have the shit! Best quality best purity.

I’ve never seen it explained if it’s out there.
Just opinions and some personal experiences.

I know guys that deal in the powders in major bulk would probably tell
You there are variables even in appearance
From different batches or suppliers.

 

[Siggy]

You are really overanalyzing this. Of course there is no difference.

 

[aHarness]

Anecdotally I’ve noticed no difference and logically (assuming it is actually what it’s said to be, dosed properly etc) there is no reason to think there would be.

 

[specter]

personally i have not seen nor felt any difference from my Bayer test from the doc vs my vel dosed UGL, now i got my ugl tested so i knew it was on par dosage wise.

 

[gib68sg]

In this day and age where testing is so readily available there is no difference at all. Now, 10-15 years ago when it was a crapshoot with regards to what you were getting…that’s different story. Thinking you’re pinning 250mg/ml test e and you have 87mg/ml lol

 

[intensevolume1]

Anybody remember the old dateline NBC episode where they did the investigation and found that pharma drugs weren't dosed properly?
There's reality and then there is the illusion of standards.

 

[Zamun]

Anybody remember the old dateline NBC episode where they did the investigation and found that pharma drugs weren't dosed properly?
There's reality and then there is the illusion of standards.

I’ve discovered this when testing generics from a certain location. UGL have far better accuracy than some pharma brands.

 

[grapeape]

Having had a script from a sports medicine doctor and using UGLs I can say I havent noticed a difference.

 

[BigNJ]

Pharma all the way. You know 100% it's dosed accurately and manufactured properly. There is no guessing when you are getting Pharma grade assuming you're getting a legit and not fake or counterfeit.

 

[TomJ]

Well tested, accurately dosed UGL products are of similar quality as 1st world pharmaceutical products.

especially for something simple and cheap like testosterone.

Perhaps there is an argument to be made for things like IGF-1 and rHGH. but with the testing we have nowadays we can know for an absolute fact what is in the vials we are buying, and if they are testing similar they will have similar effects.

 

[Aikman56]

Anecdotally, I have never noticed a difference with gear. For years, I was convinced that GH was a different matter altogether. After spending several thousand dollars on pharma Genotropin and Serostim GH back in 2021-22, I’m not even convinced that is always a huge difference.

HOWEVER, I also work in pharma and have been in this industry since 2004 and can say that there are ABSOLUTELY differences between branded products and generic equivalents…in the clinical data, the results/feedback from docs and patients, AND under mass spec evaluation.

So, who knows, really?

Hell, at the end of the day, if you don’t have .001% genes, no amount of Serostim, Humalog, Bayer Primo, OrganonDeca/Sustanon, 76.5 mg/mL Parabolan, Pfizer Equipoise, or Winthrop Labs Winstrol is going to make us what we really want to be.
I would think the biggest differences would come down to sterility and what’s on the label actually being in the bottle.

But what do I know? I thought Jack In The Box was a chain of sperm banks…

 

[Dezzy]

I don't notice a difference from a good ugl and pharma testosterone cypionate. Any issues I've had I can attribute to solvents.

 

[P30LEM]

HOWEVER, I also work in pharma and have been in this industry since 2004 and can say that there are ABSOLUTELY differences between branded products and generic equivalents…in the clinical data, the results/feedback from docs and patients, AND under mass spec evaluation.

My friends parents are both in pharma and work at a high level in drug development. We had a conversation about this years ago, and they both told me to never use generic anything.

They said that the way you arrive at synthesizing a drug and the excipients used can have a significant effect on how the end product behaves, even if the chemical structure of the drug is technically the same.

I am not educated on the matter so I can't explain it in detail/scientifically the way they did, and have no way to verify it.

I can say I've noticed differences between pharma/generics/UGL with testosterone a few times, but this could be due to quality control. Other times no difference. I'm using generic GH now with no problems. I've had pharma test cyp from a generic give me significantly lower levels than the name brand. So who knows. I just use name brand pharma when I can for peace of mind.