Which is more toxic ?

[coolkat]

Any opinions on what would be more toxic; 10 mg of D-Bol 2-3x a day or drinking 6-10 beers everyday ????

 

[takinitinth ass]

Hell i do both! haha

 

[km2000]

Any opinions on what would be more toxic; 10 mg of D-Bol 2-3x a day or drinking 6-10 beers everyday ????

are you just curious? or debating on doing one or the other?

I would think 10 beers would be more toxic to the body because of liver stress, and dehydration the beer would cause, 20 mg dbol a day with some good supps shouldnt kill ya.....

 

[leapfrog]

that's easy

the beer for sure,alcohol effects every major organ in your body.it kills about 450,000 a year,it pickels your insides

leap

Any opinions on what would be more toxic; 10 mg of D-Bol 2-3x a day or drinking 6-10 beers everyday ????

 

[takinitinth ass]

how about some science to back up what you guys are saying?? Sure drinking isnt good for you but everything is ok in small amounts!! haha

The light beer drinker can absorb 41 grams (almost 1.5 ounces avoirdupois or approximately 1.8 U.S. fluid ounces) of alcohol per day without triggering an increase in GGT-values. Thus, the average male can replace 3 ounces of vodka, for instance, with 56.25 fluid ounces (almost 1.7 liters) of light beer at an alcohol content by volume of 3.2%. Translated into commercial-size containers, he can drink 4.7 standard U.S. 12-ounce (0.355-liter) bottles of beer per day without causing his liver any harm ... a quantity that happily also falls into the range (40 grams or about 1.7 U.S. fluid ounces of beer-derived alcohol per day) at which alcohol consumption has beneficial effects on cardiovascular health.


4 beers a day, 12oz per hour! DOES NOTHING TO THE "HEALTHY" LIVER... I LOVE BEER!

 

[km2000]

how about some science to back up what you guys are saying?? Sure drinking isnt good for you but everything is ok in small amounts!! haha

The light beer drinker can absorb 41 grams (almost 1.5 ounces avoirdupois or approximately 1.8 U.S. fluid ounces) of alcohol per day without triggering an increase in GGT-values. Thus, the average male can replace 3 ounces of vodka, for instance, with 56.25 fluid ounces (almost 1.7 liters) of light beer at an alcohol content by volume of 3.2%. Translated into commercial-size containers, he can drink 4.7 standard U.S. 12-ounce (0.355-liter) bottles of beer per day without causing his liver any harm ... a quantity that happily also falls into the range (40 grams or about 1.7 U.S. fluid ounces of beer-derived alcohol per day) at which alcohol consumption has beneficial effects on cardiovascular health.


4 beers a day, 12oz per hour! DOES NOTHING TO THE "HEALTHY" LIVER... I LOVE BEER!

where did you get that quote from? just curious...
link would be great!

 

[Mach .78]

While we are on a subject like this. What is more harmfull to the body? Oral Steroids/PHs, injectable steroids OR stuff like Zoloft, Prozac, Pharmaceutical drugs, your normal everyday run of the mill "Medicated America Stack"? The drugs that talk about nausea and bleeding as some of the possible side effects. I'm not trying to thread jack. I'm just adding some more drugs.

 

[oldfella]

While we are on a subject like this. What is more harmfull to the body? Oral Steroids/PHs, injectable steroids OR stuff like Zoloft, Prozac, Pharmaceutical drugs, your normal everyday run of the mill "Medicated America Stack"? The drugs that talk about nausea and bleeding as some of the possible side effects. I'm not trying to thread jack. I'm just adding some more drugs.

We have a similar issue here in OZ. Rx meds from quacks. I say this because any time I've gone to one almost before I say hello he reachin for the script pad. Happy drugs have a far greater impact and are on the rise at an alarming rate. As for the beer or the d-bol I actually think that d-bol would stress the liver a bit more than alcohol. At the quantities described. Noo I have no fact to back this up. But knowing how toxic d-bol and others can be that is how I draw my conclusion.

 

[takinitinth ass]

where did you get that quote from? just curious...
link would be great!

http://www.bayrisch-bier.de/contentserv/bayerisches-bier.de/index.php?StoryID=2391

There you go!

 

[thebrick]

Which is worse? …to smash my head in with a hammer or stab myself in the eye with a screwdriver?

Seriously, I think that many beers daily would be worse.

 

[KillerStack]

While we are on a subject like this. What is more harmfull to the body? Oral Steroids/PHs, injectable steroids OR stuff like Zoloft, Prozac, Pharmaceutical drugs, your normal everyday run of the mill "Medicated America Stack"? The drugs that talk about nausea and bleeding as some of the possible side effects. I'm not trying to thread jack. I'm just adding some more drugs.

It's hard to compare different classes of drugs as far as how "dangerous" they are. It depends on the specific drug, the genetics of the one taking it, the dosage, the duration and etc. So IMO a question like this is impossible to answer. It depends

 

[coolkat]

Well, let's just say : "all things being equal".

Some of my research into the liver says more than 4-6 beers for man may lead to a fatty liver in a short time.

And a popular article regarding " Hepatoxicity: fact or fiction" or something like that vaguely states that 17-AA orals used prudently and for short periods of time should not be a probem ( all things being equal ).


Anyone else? which is worse- 20-30mg D-Bol daily or 10 beers ????

 

[KillerStack]

Anyone else? which is worse- 20-30mg D-Bol daily or 10 beers ????

There's evidence that says there's a genetic component to how one handles oral steroids for example. A few may develop hematomas from steroids whereas most would handle them fine. So it really depends on the individual IMO.

Also consider that fatty liver and something like peliosis hepatitis which can develop from steroids is not the same. IOW they are not "bad" in the same way. So I don't know how one would compare X amount of steroids to X amount of beers as far as liver impact.

Personally I'd choose the steroids as being safer, if not for anything else than the risk of alcoholism from the daily beers.

 

[Tyrone]

It's hard to compare different classes of drugs as far as how "dangerous" they are. It depends on the specific drug, the genetics of the one taking it, the dosage, the duration and etc. So IMO a question like this is impossible to answer. It depends

Bump this...Hopefully I have a liver of steel like my old man from the BINGE DRINKIN COLLEGE YEARS...

 

[takinitinth ass]

To hell with whats worse on your liver!

I drank 6 beers last night and had a crap workout this morning due to the dehydration and lethargy. I fall off the wagon every now and then and I always hate it the next morning.

So with that said, to each his own but anything that hinders my bodys ability to function at 100% isnt worth it.

I LOVE BEER!! TOO MUCH!! haha

 

[coolkat]

Thanks for your replies. Maybe someone out there is a pharmacist or biochemical student or something.

Always good to know more.

 

[km2000]

ya I think you would have to define "worse" or "dangerous" to get a clear cut answer, as far as liver levels I bet there are studies out there on both and would give you a clear cut answer after lets say 8 weeks of either, I'll search around to see wht I can come up with

 

[gassy]

The rule of thumb is orals for no more than 6 weeks. But isn't the dosage more important? For example what's the difference if you did a gram of d-bol over a month or spread it out over 3 months, long term low dose. What would your liver have an easier time with? I guess it's similar to having a drink or two per night vs. binge drinking or going on a bender every few months, in the end who would have the healthier liver? I sure would like to know.

 

[iron fist]

Any opinions on what would be more toxic; 10 mg of D-Bol 2-3x a day or drinking 6-10 beers everyday ????

It depends, if you mean all the time non stop, D-BOL for sure!

Over a course of 6wks, D-BOL (my guess)

2-3 cycles of d-bol year vs 6-10 beers everyday year (BEER)

 

[leapfrog]

well

anti-depressants are one of the worst class of drugs,with some of the worst side effects.your body becomes dependent on them and you have to wean yourself off,or you will get very sick.they cause brutal weight gain & kill the sex drive.they make people not care about what's going on around them.

alcohol is a toxic substance that effects,every major organ in the body.it also usually causes weight gain due to the excess calories and raised cortisol levels.

db tabs help with protien synthesis and speeds recouperation of muscles after training.this usually causes adding lean muscle mass and healthier body.

so i would say the dbol has positive effects and would metabolize faster because the person is working out,so therfore it would have less effects.

leap

While we are on a subject like this. What is more harmfull to the body? Oral Steroids/PHs, injectable steroids OR stuff like Zoloft, Prozac, Pharmaceutical drugs, your normal everyday run of the mill "Medicated America Stack"? The drugs that talk about nausea and bleeding as some of the possible side effects. I'm not trying to thread jack. I'm just adding some more drugs.