Which nationality is most extreme with gear

[TheOtherOne55]

Good thread. I know I've read the uk muscle forum, knowledge and training content seem on par with most US forums, not as advanced as here.

Recall a guy buselmo used to post about practices in the middle east gear and training, wish I could find the posts was very entertaining.

Seems like from what I've seen Australia is big on aesthetics over size not a bad thing. I think they are inspired by that kid that od in rec drugs and died in a tanning bed lol

Seems like I've seen online that Brazil is big into the SEO look and alot of it

Sometimes i read your posts and i wonder if you just like hearing yourself speak or you just want to add to your own post count.
We are talking about drugs here and you're offering info like you're on old bodybuilding.com forums.

Have you talked to any UK BBers? Pros? Amateurs?
How about Australian high level competitors?
Or did you just watch an episode of Love Island and come to the conclusion that everyone "is about aesthetics over size." How about Brazilians? Which competitors do you know? What did they say? Or did your instagram page just show you a video of a heavily SEO'd freak and he spoke Portuguese so it muuuust mean that the whole country loves the SEO look right? For the love of god add VALUE here. Don't just enter any and all threads to give general blahhh responses to everything. There's a reason why 90% of your posts have 0 likes next to it. You are talking just to talk.

You know why some ex-athletes are fantastic analysts after their on-field career is over and some are trash? The successful ones offer a unique perspective. Something new, a different way of looking at it, new info, a hot take, etc. You dont bring annyyyy of that. Your posts are mostly repeating other people's views or just derail a thread that wasss unique and interesting. That Dr. Mike thread actually went to shit and took giant leaps backwards after your input. We had veteran guys talking about the nuances of fatigue to stimulus ratio and you came in with, "Dr Mike annoys me because he overcomplicates stuff." Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I feel like i always have to apologize for going hard at you but YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONGER THAN ME and you still havent quite figured it out yet. I hope i havent derailed THIS thread. From my conversations, Brazilians seem the craziest to me. I dont have any one on one relationships with any arab competitors but im alwayss interested in the way they do things as well.

 

[madg]

Sometimes i read your posts and i wonder if you just like hearing yourself speak or you just want to add to your own post count.
We are talking about drugs here and you're offering info like you're on old bodybuilding.com forums.

Have you talked to any UK BBers? Pros? Amateurs?
How about Australian high level competitors?
Or did you just watch an episode of Love Island and come to the conclusion that everyone "is about aesthetics over size." How about Brazilians? Which competitors do you know? What did they say? Or did your instagram page just show you a video of a heavily SEO'd freak and he spoke Portuguese so it muuuust mean that the whole country loves the SEO look right? For the love of god add VALUE here. Don't just enter any and all threads to give general blahhh responses to everything. There's a reason why 90% of your posts have 0 likes next to it. You are talking just to talk.

You know why some ex-athletes are fantastic analysts after their on-field career is over and some are trash? The successful ones offer a unique perspective. Something new, a different way of looking at it, new info, a hot take, etc. You dont bring annyyyy of that. Your posts are mostly repeating other people's views or just derail a thread that wasss unique and interesting. That Dr. Mike thread actually went to shit and took giant leaps backwards after your input. We had veteran guys talking about the nuances of fatigue to stimulus ratio and you came in with, "Dr Mike annoys me because he overcomplicates stuff." Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I feel like i always have to apologize for going hard at you but YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONGER THAN ME and you still havent quite figured it out yet. I hope i havent derailed THIS thread. From my conversations, Brazilians seem the craziest to me. I dont have any one on one relationships with any arab competitors but im alwayss interested in the way they do things as well.

I talk with some arabs

My friend is iffbb pro and is arab

They go heavy on eq and primo

My friend is 117 kg

500 test
1g primo
1g eq
100 anadrol prewo
15 iu gh
10 slin pre
10 post

 

[b-boy]

How does he manage to eat so much and still have a great physique without putting on fat like we could see more than 20 years ago among professional bodybuilders?

D. R. U. G. S.

 

[BB71]

D. R. U. G. S.

Thanks @b-boy , but you agree that if you eat anything and take all the drugs in the world you can't have a super clean, veiny bodybuilder body all year round?
At the time, Jay, Lee Priest was fat hs, drugs have changed so much since then?

 

[traininsane11]

Thanks @b-boy , but you agree that if you eat anything and take all the drugs in the world you can't have a super clean, veiny bodybuilder body all year round?
At the time, Jay, Lee Priest was fat hs, drugs have changed so much since then?

Minus that one time Lee priest got
Fat which was apparently for a paid transformation thing I’m yet to see an actual pro bodybuilder that’s legit fat

 

[fredmac82]

“Refresh your receptors”

LOL pretty sure that broscience theory blew away with a hurricane 20 years ago

If people took time off to refresh their receptors there would be no IFBB pro bodybuilders everyone would look like a top amateur in the NPC at best

Do people really believe that "refreshing your receptors" actually works? I can’t imagine any IFBB pro bodybuilder completely coming off all gear just to refresh their receptors.

 

[Biggerp73]

“Refresh your receptors”

LOL pretty sure that broscience theory blew away with a hurricane 20 years ago

If people took time off to refresh their receptors there would be no IFBB pro bodybuilders everyone would look like a top amateur in the NPC at best

Its not broscience and it hasn't been debunked. 3-6 weeks off can resesensitize you without causing any significant loss in real tissue and help you break a platue

 

[bbxtreme]

Its not broscience and it hasn't been debunked. 3-6 weeks off can resesensitize you without causing any significant loss in real tissue and help you break a platue

Studies?

 

[traininsane11]

Studies?

Literally won’t be able to find any other than anecdotal

Cruising on a lower dose (maybe 300mg of test) for most for 6-8 weeks a couple of times a year (usually either side of prep) seems to be the best practice for health and longevity according to a lot but nothing to do with cleaning receptors out as far as I am aware

 

[bbxtreme]

Literally won’t be able to find any other than anecdotal

Cruising on a lower dose (maybe 300mg of test) for most for 6-8 weeks a couple of times a year (usually either side of prep) seems to be the best practice for health and longevity according to a lot but nothing to do with cleaning receptors out as far as I am aware

This subject has been hammered to death on here. I was just hoping he had some new literature none of us knew about.

I’d love to drop down to TRT 1-2 times a year to add lean tissue and have new PR’s. Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way.

As you said, if anything by doing that you would drop inflammation and be “healthier” which may result in some way of better results once you increase dosages.

You’d be smarter if aiming to progress to move compounds or dosages back slightly to maintain health year round as to not have large fluctuations.

Better yet as @luki7788 and I have discussed keep more emphasis on diet as most issues come when pushing calories up WITH gear. Hence most can stay relatively healthy in a prep or deep cut on higher dosages.

Again it all depends on one’s goals and health/situation.

 

[traininsane11]

This subject has been hammered to death on here. I was just hoping he had some new literature none of us knew about.

I’d love to drop down to TRT 1-2 times a year to add lean tissue and have new PR’s. Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way.

As you said, if anything by doing that you would drop inflammation and be “healthier” which may result in some way of better results once you increase dosages.

You’d be smarter if aiming to progress to move compounds or dosages back slightly to maintain health year round as to not have large fluctuations.

Better yet as @luki7788 and I have discussed keep more emphasis on diet as most issues come when pushing calories up WITH gear. Hence most can stay relatively healthy in a prep or deep cut.

Again it all depends on one’s goals and health/situation.

I think you’re spot on. Obviously we know genetics will be a huge underlying role but I think a lot of people have noted when they have bloods taken (I realise only 1 piece of the puzzle) in the latter stages of prep even when on tren but perhaps not when orals are at peak dosages their bloods can be better than peak off-season on a cruise dosage

Just my opinion it’s easy to blame gear for bad health markers but if you truly delved into it that 40lbs extra bodyweight, severely less cardiovascular output and probably a lot more questionable food choices and just the thing of force feeding may be slightly contributing and this isn’t pro drugs as you’ve still got to be smart and they obviously aren’t increasing our life span but extreme bodybuilding isn’t about that

 

[aHarness]

Its not broscience and it hasn't been debunked. 3-6 weeks off can resesensitize you without causing any significant loss in real tissue and help you break a platue

I’ve debated you with this in the past and even provided studies and you still are spreading this BS?

 

[fredmac82]

Its not broscience and it hasn't been debunked. 3-6 weeks off can resesensitize you without causing any significant loss in real tissue and help you break a platue

Just curious, in your opinion, why would taking 3-6 weeks off resensitize your receptors? What’s the science behind this line of thinking?

 

[Vanguards]

+1 for middle eastern/Arab bodybuilders

They've been known to have pretty hardcore protocols with gear

 

[Biggerp73]

Studies?

I would be surprised if any studies have been done on optimal steroid use for bodybuilders, or anything really even remotely in that ballpark

The only "literature" I know of is Arthur Rea's old "building the perfect beast" which talks about this, but that's not even remotely a "study" either

I’ve debated you with this in the past and even provided studies and you still are spreading this BS?

Show us these studies

Just curious, in your opinion, why would taking 3-6 weeks off resensitize your receptors? What’s the science behind this line of thinking?

Same reason an alcoholic who can't get drunk no matter how much he drinks can get drunk on just a few beers if he stops drinking for a month or two

The body is always working to find homeostasis, virtually every drug always starts to lose effectiveness over time, the body adapts, etc.

With steroids it's somewhat different than say with an SSRI or something like that. You won't reach a point where you suddenly start to slowly shrink even though you are using the same amount, like people with depression/anxiety can sometimes start to slip back into it unless they increase their meds. But if you come off the steroids for long enough to "resensitize" but short enough so you don't lose significant muscle, you can use that initial bump when you go back up to your advantage.

Lots of pros have talked about this. Fuoad Abiad said on his podcast that the one off-season in his career he made his biggest gains was when he took a couple months offs.

 

[traininsane11]

Lots of pros have talked about this. Fuoad Abiad said on his podcast that the one off-season in his career he made his biggest gains was when he took a couple months offs.

Replying specifically to that bit as I’ve heard this many times before

But

What variables do we have
Training
Diet
Gear
Lifestyle

If you maximise all of these then suddenly take away or lessen one I just can’t see how that can directly lead to more results

IF you were at 75% with everything then came off gear to sort stuff out and then everything back at 100% you may just think “oh that break off the gear did a world of good”

I dunno I’m nowhere near clued up enough to know but just my opinion

Lowering dosages or coming to a trt for health definitely makes sense but to make improvements I’m not sold

 

[bensif]

Perhaps not the craziest in respect of total doses but the UK is just silly now. Everyone and their mate running a gram of masteron in their off-season, shouting safer use model whilst doing single arm 37 degree to the rear cuffed bench supported rows...

It's lost it's way here.

I run a fairly large coaching platform and some of the stuff I see in plans just boggles my mind.

The highest doses I've personally seen are from the US guys.

Diuretic use in the middle East, specifally iran is pretty mad. They also seem to really love very high eq there.

 

[Biggerp73]

Replying specifically to that bit as I’ve heard this many times before

But

What variables do we have
Training
Diet
Gear
Lifestyle

If you maximise all of these then suddenly take away or lessen one I just can’t see how that can directly lead to more results

IF you were at 75% with everything then came off gear to sort stuff out and then everything back at 100% you may just think “oh that break off the gear did a world of good”

I dunno I’m nowhere near clued up enough to know but just my opinion

Lowering dosages or coming to a trt for health definitely makes sense but to make improvements I’m not sold

Well you aren't going to look better by coming off. But if you can maintain while off, then that initial jump you experience when going back on can push you past the previous spot.

 

[Vanguards]

Perhaps not the craziest in respect of total doses but the UK is just silly now. Everyone and their mate running a gram of masteron in their off-season, shouting safer use model whilst doing single arm 37 degree to the rear cuffed bench supported rows...

It's lost it's way here.

I run a fairly large coaching platform and some of the stuff I see in plans just boggles my mind.

The highest doses I've personally seen are from the US guys.

Diuretic use in the middle East, specifally iran is pretty mad. They also seem to really love very high eq there.

I mean I kind of like high masteron as well, but not for growth purposes. Test/eq/deca are the best growth drivers

That said though masteron helps prevent estrogen from binding to the receptors which can he helpful in the offseason when test and aromatizable compounds are usually pushed pretty high. The reduced water retention is also great for reducing blood pressure as well, along with I'm sure are a ton of other benefits to reduced water retention

But yeah I've never heard of someone blowing up off a mast cycle. I think it's used within the context you're describing because it's synergistic with other conpounds, can lead to a reduction of other aas related sides, and the masteron compound for the most part is side free (unless you have prostate issues or a genetic disposition to balding).

 

[pickapeck]

This is the what the fuck thread. What the fuck prompted this question? We trying to put people into neat little abuse boxes?