Which Tren gives the best results?

[nartic]

Putting the pining aside injections don't bother me which Tren gives the best overall results? Any input would help Thanks.

 

[mike1107]

tren is tren bro

 

[nartic]

Thanks. I was thinking about kick starting it with Tren A an doing the rest of the cycle with Tren E.

 

[Conciliator]

And so the Half-Life stays the same regardless of the ester it's paired with.

Huh? Tren ace and tren enanthate do NOT have the same half-life. The ester definitely affects it.

 

[ojs]

Huh? Tren ace and tren enanthate do NOT have the same half-life. The ester definitely affects it.

Ooops!!! My bad. I was thinking of Masteron Dipropionate and Masteron Enenthate. The effect of the masteron on my body for either depends on my pinning schedule. On the Tren I don't know, so I've scratched that comment.

 

[rAJJIN]

Tren ace is the best there is Imo

 

[Nssca]

Tren ace is the best there is Imo

I agree 100% and I'd take it a few steps further in saying this is true with everything from NPP and Test Prop. The shorter acting the ester the easier it is to control/estimate the blood level of the drug. Not to mention the shorter acting esters give you a greater concentration of the drug versus the longer acting ester..example:
Test Prop gives you mg for mg greater % of active product than say Test E. The downside however is more injections are needed with shorter acting esters

 

[gymrat215]

i dont understand why people dont get that tren is tren and test is test. it REALLY bothers me that i have people who tell me they are on test enathate but they are gunna cut up soon so there gunna use prop to harden up.. i just want to slap them and be like dude your using the same fucking thing!
this is NOT directed at you nartic but now you know! i used to think the same way when i started out so its all good.. but seriously nartic if this is your first time running tren i always recomend(if no one has said this yet) using the acetate ester because you may get some really bad sides that you werent expecting so in that case you could just immdiatly stop and the tren will be out of your system a lot quicker than if you were using enanthate and hence your side should go away. im NOT saying you will get sides or not but this is the case with any compound a lot of people tend to get more sides on tren like anxiety,heavy night sweats,acne and for some reason i get the heavy cough when injecting tren as a lot of users do i get it with EVERY shot when i use the Ace its gets pretty annoying but just "cough it out" for 5 mins and it will subside but tren E i barely get the cough and when i do its way less intense for some reason? good luck with your cycle hope that helps..with that being said bro.. Tren is my favorite compound of all! so im sure youll have a great cycle and i would try to stay on it even if you recieve some of the those side just try to combat them!
GL

 

[rAJJIN]

i dont understand why people dont get that tren is tren and test is test.

I always here a Number of guys say that But from "my" experiences I disagree.
I can tell a Noticeable difference In certain things.
Two examples would be Test suspension and Tren acetate.
It would Not matter How many weeks I waited for the enanthate it to "kick in" Its Just not the same. They react different, atleast for me they sure seem to.
Tren enan Just does not have the same Kick that the Tren Acetate Has.

 

[saudades]

I'd say it is all in how your body responds to the different esters. For me, I respond better to tren ethanate. I can deal with the common sides if they show up, but I've always had better results from the ethanate version.

 

[nartic]

My body responds better to Test P so I guess I should go with the Tren Ace?

 

[nartic]

Tren Ace it is.. I guess am gonna do
Week 1-6 D-Bol 60 mg ED Total a week 420 mg
Week 1-12 Test E 2x a week Total a week 900 mg
Week 1-12 Tren Ace 75 mg 5x a week Total a week 375 mg
(Monday,Wendsday,Thursday,Friday,Sunday)

 

[mrshoulders]

Parabolon...the best IMO

 

[hellraiser27]

I know its already been said, but here is my 2 cents.

Tren Ace is to Tren Enan is what Test Prop is to Test Enan

 

[Pekkerwood]

In my opinion, test is not test and tren is not tren. The esters attached make a difference. I do think it might be easier to manage with the shorter acting substances.

One thing that is not discussed as much is the vagaries of injection volume and how the quality of the injection and volume of the injection and the disbursement of the injection effect absorbtion rates and not just the half lifes of the ester. For some injections where the depot seems to sit for days as a "lump" you have both the absorption time as well as the metabolizing time.

It would seem the greater the surface area of the the injection the better the dissapation rates. The worst dissapation would be if the "depot" formed from the injection was a spere. Faster dissipation would be achieved by injecting deep and slowly withdrawing the pin while still injecting, laying down a "cylinder" of fluid. It would be the same volume but have far greater surface area. It would also stand to reason that doing two 1.5 ml injections would have faster absorbtion than one 3m injection. The reason you get crushed or cubed ice in your drink instead of a couple of blocks is there is more surface area for the heat transfer. That is why the same amount of ice crushed will melt faster than the same volume in a cube.

With that said, for the most part I got tired of daily, EOD, etc. and went once a week. Part of it was just the hassle of doing it privately, getting product out in the open ect. It seemed to multiply my risk with no apparent benefit.

Pekkerwood

 

[vadim_b1]

Putting the pining aside injections don't bother me which Tren gives the best overall results? Any input would help Thanks.

one that is legit

 

[youngmuscle]

tren IS tren and test IS test... a hormone is a hormone fellas....

the ONLY difference, as someone already mentioned, is a small difference in % of mg due to ester weight. lighter ester = more hormone. but its very smal difference.

as far as noticing different effects from different esters, heavier esters may cause more water retention in certain individuals. this is the only difference at all. you can use test enanthat or test suspoension and get equal results for cutting or bulking. what matters is the mg of active hormone in the blood stream.. unless your a few weeks out from a contest water retention will be a non-issue, as water retention from ester weight will not effect any of the body processes...

 

[vadim_b1]

tren IS tren and test IS test... a hormone is a hormone fellas....

the ONLY difference, as someone already mentioned, is a small difference in % of mg due to ester weight. lighter ester = more hormone. but its very smal difference.

as far as noticing different effects from different esters, heavier esters may cause more water retention in certain individuals. this is the only difference at all. you can use test enanthat or test suspoension and get equal results for cutting or bulking. what matters is the mg of active hormone in the blood stream.. unless your a few weeks out from a contest water retention will be a non-issue, as water retention from ester weight will not effect any of the body processes...

do you even understand what esters are there for?

as for the kick you may or may not feel from different esters...
All that can be manipulated with dosages and injection frequency, at the end of the day though, given that same dosages and usual injection frequency is used (ace - eod, enanthate e4d or e5d), longer esters will always have a higher concentration of hormone in the blood because of overlap.
So you can get an initial "kick" which will be strong from ace, but overall effects will be stronger with the enanthate, simply because of higher concentration.

Now we could achieve the same kick with longer esters simply by injecting them every day. No matter what the ester length is, the biggest peak in hormone levels will always follow an injection.
Google pharmacokinetics of test prop and test enanthate if you want proof.

This discussion is meaningless though, because in todays market there are lots of inconsistently dosed products if we use UG lab gear. (and tren will always be UG), so you cant say with certainty what is "stronger" because you might get an overdosed batch of tren E and an underdosed batch of tren A. And this is not just in the hands of the lab converting powders, its in the hands of the powder manufacturer. Since again there is no quality control, powder batch purity may vary. Which will again result in inconsistently dosed gear.

 

[youngmuscle]

dont insult my intelligence...

 

[jesse7159]

dont insult my intelligence...

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