why use deca and bold (pretty naive question.. )

[bhumik]

i was looking at my anabolics 2006 book and the anabolic and androgenic ratio for both bold and deca is lower compared to just testosterone. so why would one use them, instead of using just testosterone alone.?? wouldnt a low A/A index mean that both bold and deca are worst at protein retention anabolism, etc then test. ??

or does it not work like that,, and its more complicated?

 

[buselmo]

it's not like that, and it's not that complicated... it's actually simple...

Some people don't respond well to deca, some respond great
same goes for EQ and test... (almost everyone responds good to test)

some people would grow much better on (for example) 750 mg test and 400 deca than they would at 1250 mg test alone... some are the opposite

you have to try different things to see how you respond. the best way to do this is to keep everything constant, and change one variable.

Usually, things that work on paper don't neccassarily work in real world application.

hope that helps

 

[bhumik]

it's not like that, and it's not that complicated... it's actually simple...

Some people don't respond well to deca, some respond great
same goes for EQ and test... (almost everyone responds good to test)

some people would grow much better on (for example) 750 mg test and 400 deca than they would at 1250 mg test alone... some are the opposite

you have to try different things to see how you respond. the best way to do this is to keep everything constant, and change one variable.

Usually, things that work on paper don't neccassarily work in real world application.

hope that helps

kinda i see waht u r saying. .as in they are synergistic.. right? so 1+1 = a bit more than 2..
but arent all the effects that we need mediated through the androgen receptor. and test being more anabolic and androgenic then both will bind to that receptor better (despite differences between individual). then why is it that bold still works better? or deca still works better? or when u put two togather they become synergistic.??

 

[617ricky]

I've always been under the impression that you use deca in addition to test so you can keep more of your gains.. Test will give you a quick bang for the buck, but when you bring deca in, they're more solid gains that will be easier to maintain after..

 

[oldfella]

While test may be the prefered supplement of choice for more than obvious reasons we have other compounds that are more anabolic than androgenic. so combine something highly androgenic with something highly anabolic and now you have the makings of a good cycle. As mentioned though, not everyone has such a god experience with some androgens or anabolics. So proceed with caution.

 

[buselmo]

I have no clue
but as i said before, on paper does not mean it will happen in real life.
there is also an anabolic/androgenic ratio that some people respond better to. for instance, if you use test and have (just like it says on paper) a 100/100 anabolic androgenic ratio, and you use deca with is a higher anabolic, lower androgenic, the TOTAL ratio you will have is in favor of the anabolic side rather than the androgenic. i guess some people respond better to that.
as i recall, big kiwi was one of those people. he used to do high doses of test... then found out that he responds MUCH better when he keeps it lower and anabolics higher. Although others said the exact opposite.
If what was on paper was true... then i guess anyone on a gram of test eating 400 gr of protein per day and training in any style should gain 200 lbs of lean body mass

 

[RINO]

Or ,eq and deca are used for collagen synthesis. As you can see there are many reasons for these stacks.Probably why they are so popular.

 

[EDED]

this is the same study i posted in the proviron thread

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...nel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

this is in vivo study i believe, looking at binding affinity to muscles and prostate (both anabolic and androgenic)

look at nandrolone, much higher binding affinity to muscle AND prostate compared to testosterone

i think that A/A q ratio thing is very off and probably concluded from in vitro studies?

i always think that study is fascinating

like others have said you have try to see what works best for you and realize taht there are true synergy between AAS which i didnt believe it a long time ago now i do.

deca is a better builder than eq, IMO.

 

[hellraiser27]

i was looking at my anabolics 2006 book and the anabolic and androgenic ratio for both bold and deca is lower compared to just testosterone. so why would one use them, instead of using just testosterone alone.?? wouldnt a low A/A index mean that both bold and deca are worst at protein retention anabolism, etc then test. ??

or does it not work like that,, and its more complicated?

This has been debated alot. buselmo is right. You just have to see for yourself. There is no perfect answer.

 

[Papa Van Smack]

yeah man, you just gotta try it all and keep what works best. i do great on deca, not so much on eq. moderate test plus deca works better for me than high test....I tried high test to find that out. i know it can be a tedious process....but that's probably my favorite part of the game. experiment and see what does what.......and when you want a killer cycle, use things that you know you respond great to....