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Old 10-26-2015, 11:49 AM
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The preworkout thread

I have been using a lot of pre workouts over the last year so thought I would start this thread. I have also seen a lot of talk about various pre workouts scattered all over the forum. I figured we could all post our favourite pre workouts and why. New ones come out all the time too so I can keep this thread updated. Although I am gonna calm them down alittle for health reasons but no chance I will be stopping. I should note I used to be extra sensitive to caffeine but over time that is the opposite now.

Here are a few I have tried in recent times each with a brief review...

GAT Nitraflex- Not impressed at all. I just had a 2 weeks break from caffeine too. Need to give it another week but so far doesn't do much. It's meant to have 325mg caffeine and 1.5g beta alanine per scoop but I don't feel either. Taste means nothing for pre workout's but I will say the pina colada is nice.

Gaspari SP250- Very good. Better for energy and focus than pumps bit overall a great pre workout. It did make me crash a bit later on though. I would get the shakes too. Ver strong even at just 1 scoop and it is not a 1 scoop formula.

Beast Yourself Raging Bull- Very good. On paper it is incredible but doesn't live on to that. Really good pumps and combined with an espresso it comes alive even more.

Lee Lebrada Super Charge Xtreme 4.0- Not impressed at all. I bought a big tub and I doubt I will even have half over 6 months. Not a cheap pre workout either. It's meant to have loads of caffeine in but I feel a single espresso more. Might be ok for some but definitely not for me.

Dorian Yates NOX Pump- Decent. I used this years ago and it was incredible. This time nowhere as good so the formula must be different (something got banned). Maybe better than decent as with an espresso I am an animal in the gym. This an a single espresso was a fav of mine for a while.

Cobra Labs The Curse- Fantastic. On paper this is the worst one. Very basic etc. I think it has 125mg caffeine and 5mg olive leaf extract. But I feel this a lot and it seems to get great reviews by most. Very cheap too. 2 scoops of this will make you a machine in the gym. 1 scoop (125mg caffeine) is stronger than Lee Lebrada's and Nitraflex that are suppose to have alsorts in including 325mg+ caffeine. Definitely recommend if you want something simple but effective.

GSN's NitroNOX Pro- Best pre workout I have ever taken. This is amazing for energy, pumps, mood etc. It has everything and I recommend it to anyone.

Matrix Nutrition NO Pump Xtreme- Amazing. This only has 80mg caffeine per scoop and is more a pump one. Incredible pumps and feel with a nice boost in energy. 2 scoops of this will give you ridiculous pumps and great energy. One of the best I have ever used.

MRI Black Powder- Crap. Not even worth writing more about. How can you fuck up a pre workout so much. 2 pro plus would be better.

Musclemeds NO BULL- Great product. Amazing for pumps and good energy. Feel very different but in a good way. Some of the best pumps ever but they fade away after 2 weeks or so.

Rich Piana's 5% Nutrition KILL IT- This one I only tried a sample so take this review with a pinch of salt. I wasn't impressed and expected/hoped for better as I like 5%. Didn't notice too much but again only a sample. I am gonna order a few of their products in the future so will get this to try out properly.


I have just order jym pre jym that is the best rated pre workout on bodybuilding.com. It sounds great so I am hoping it is. I know nothuman just used that so maybe you can chime in. Their list is nothing to go by though as nitraflex is no.6 and No Explode is no.3. Although I see the Curse is no. 5 so pleased about that. CT Fletcher's new pre workout looks good too.

There was a lot of talk on Angeldust by Blackstone Labs recently after I asked about it so thanks for the input. I may try that one time too (looks good).
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Old 10-26-2015, 11:53 AM
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Damn I love preworkout, though with my heart issues I can't take stimulants anymore.

Best two preworkouts in history (all banned):
- Driven Sports Craze v1
- E-pharm Clear shot concentrate (v1/v2)

Gimpy heart preworkout stack:

ProMera Sports PEAK 400: Single ingredient Adenosine 5’-Triphosphate Disodium

MTS Vasky: Decent pump supp with legit ingredients

Life Extension Asian Energy: capsules of gingeng and cordyceps


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I used to be so sensitive to caffeine I would often avoid it. Even a cup of strong coffee would be too much for me. That's why when guys go on about the older ones (nearly all are banned now) I never used them. I can recall a few of the names but I was always going for caffeine free or very low caffeine products. For a few years I made my own and would often only put something like ginseng in for mental boost.

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Best two preworkouts in history (all banned):
- Driven Sports Craze v1
- E-pharm Clear shot concentrate (v1/v2)

Gimpy heart preworkout stack:

ProMera Sports PEAK 400: Single ingredient Adenosine 5’-Triphosphate Disodium

MTS Vasky: Decent pump supp with legit ingredients

Life Extension Asian Energy: capsules of gingeng and cordyceps


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ok now this thread i LOVE

ok here we go

betancourt bullnox- love the stuff, good energy good pump, tastes great

kai greens new dynamix- this is one of the worst I've ever tried, jittery, dizzy after some sets too

pre script- this is one of the best, insane fullness and vascularity, excellent energy and focus

an oldie but goodie- Cellcucor c4- always easy on the stomach for me, dose the job

God of War- insane energy, tastes awful, great pumps, and insane crash too

God of rage- slightly better, insane crash tho too

Pyrie- another 1,3 one, insane crash

amp stim- this is one nice pre cardio, too much tho honestly feels like viagra its crazy for libido

blackstone labs angel dust v2- tastes great, nothing great though, waste

purus labs condense- always amazing taste, good pump, good clean energy

evogen evp plus- always a fav for pumps, good focus too, nothing crazy for energy though

vpx no shotgun- weak on energy , formula on paper is amazing though

Axiom- decent overall, its ok

iforce max out- great taste, cherry limeade, excellent focus and pump

betancourt pumpd- stupid pumps, no stims can be stacked with anything
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Old 10-26-2015, 12:17 PM
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I really like 50mg Viagra and a couple cups black coffee with some eggs & grits!
But when I'm anticipating a tough workout I'll replace the Viagra with a scoop and a half of Outlift
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Old 10-26-2015, 12:18 PM
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I guess the real question is whether there's more in Cobra Labs The Curse than there appears to be on the label lol. Does it look like the worst and just manage to find a great ratio, or is something a little more going on behind the scenes?


I was at the Arnold Pro Expo in Columbus this past year and collected a bevy of pre-workout samples. I'll have to sort them and start trying them, contribute to this thread a bit more. The thing is, not too long after that expo I took two different pre workout sample packs (both just had 1/2 serving), mixed them together, and drank it about a half hour before my workout. Dear God...after that, I swore them off lol. I don't know if they both had different stims that had a negative reaction when combined in my body, but my heart went crazy. I did one heavy set of HS Incline Bench and my heart was beating through my chest. I went to feel my pulse on the side of my throat and it literally just felt like my entire neck was bulging in and out with my heartbeat. Tried doing another set it was making my heart go so crazy that I was sure it would just explode...breathing felt strained because of how hard my heard felt. Stopped my workout and went home. Wound up laying in my bed, wide awake, eyes bolted forward, trying to fall asleep, for about 4 hours.

Funny thing is, I've always had an extremely high tolerance towards stims outside of that one experience As far as I can tell, it must have just been a combo of ingredients that my body didn't cope with well.

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Old 10-26-2015, 12:24 PM
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You love them even more than me

I have tried quite a few but haven't tried most on your list. Thank you for posting. Shame about the new Kai Greene one. I know they are just athletes and 99% of the time have no input. But when my fav bodybuilders are sponsored by certain brands I will put them above others on my shopping list. That's probably why nitraflex stood out plus it also gets great reviews all over too. Kai's old sponsor musclemeds do NO BULL and it is a good one if you haven't tried that yet.

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ok now this thread i LOVE

ok here we go

betancourt bullnox- love the stuff, good energy good pump, tastes great

kai greens new dynamix- this is one of the worst I've ever tried, jittery, dizzy after some sets too

pre script- this is one of the best, insane fullness and vascularity, excellent energy and focus

an oldie but goodie- Cellcucor c4- always easy on the stomach for me, dose the job

God of War- insane energy, tastes awful, great pumps, and insane crash too

God of rage- slightly better, insane crash tho too

Pyrie- another 1,3 one, insane crash

amp stim- this is one nice pre cardio, too much tho honestly feels like viagra its crazy for libido

blackstone labs angel dust v2- tastes great, nothing great though, waste

purus labs condense- always amazing taste, good pump, good clean energy

evogen evp plus- always a fav for pumps, good focus too, nothing crazy for energy though

vpx no shotgun- weak on energy , formula on paper is amazing though

Axiom- decent overall, its ok

iforce max out- great taste, cherry limeade, excellent focus and pump

betancourt pumpd- stupid pumps, no stims can be stacked with anything
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Old 10-26-2015, 12:36 PM
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Anybody ever try the original Razor8 by allmax nutrition?

Greatest preworkout I've ever had.

350mg caffeine
1g beta alanine
5g creatine
40mg 1,3 dimeth
9mg Yohimbine

Tasted awful but unbelievable boost in the gym. I'm pretty stim tolerant too.

Haven't had a preworkout recently that I've liked except one.

Hyde by prosupps is pretty solid and easy on the stomach (some give me a little tummy ache/refux). 400mg caffeine and a pretty decent ratio of creatine, citruline, and beta alanine.
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Old 10-26-2015, 12:37 PM
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I just went on their website and they have changed the formula. It definitely didn't have all that when I bought it. The curse comes up as (per serving)...

4.8g- CarnoSyn (Beta Alaline), creatine Monohydrate, Ctric Acid
1.6g- L-Citrulline and L-Arginine AKG
235.2mg- Caffeine Anhydrous (232mg), Olive Leaf Extract (40% Oleuropein)

When I tried it it stated 125mg caffine per serving and it only had beta alanine and creatine in it. So they have added more and bumped up the caffeine. In the past 1 1/2 scoops would have me wired. 2 scoops would be too much but the workout would be amazing. 2 scoops of the above would be far too much. I am definitely gonna try that out again. It is buy 3 for the price of 2 on bb.com and it's only very cheap. I could probably sell a tub over here for $80 as everything is so expensive

They are a small company and only had 2 products but I see they have a new pre workout called Shadow X out but it's ingredients weren't listed. I would have to agree my old one probably had someting added to it

Adding... found the new one and it gets great reviews and on paper look ok. On psper similar to the old one but stronger so it should be really good.


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I guess the real question is whether there's more in Cobra Labs The Curse than there appears to be on the label lol. Does it look like the worst and just manage to find a great ratio, or is something a little more going on behind the scenes?


I was at the Arnold Pro Expo in Columbus this past year and collected a bevy of pre-workout samples. I'll have to sort them and start trying them, contribute to this thread a bit more. The thing is, not too long after that expo I took two different pre workout sample packs (both just had 1/2 serving), mixed them together, and drank it about a half hour before my workout. Dear God...after that, I swore them off lol. I don't know if they both had different stims that had a negative reaction when combined in my body, but my heart went crazy. I did one heavy set of HS Incline Bench and my heart was beating through my chest. I went to feel my pulse on the side of my throat and it literally just felt like my entire neck was bulging in and out with my heartbeat. Tried doing another set it was making my heart go so crazy that I was sure it would just explode...breathing felt strained because of how hard my heard felt. Stopped my workout and went home. Wound up laying in my bed, wide awake, eyes bolted forward, trying to fall asleep, for about 4 hours.

Funny thing is, I've always had an extremely high tolerance towards stims outside of that one experience As far as I can tell, it must have just been a combo of ingredients that my body didn't cope with well.

Maybe I should try again, just add an espresso this time
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HYDE is the other one I plan to get... so yes about 10 of them

But it really is in the top 3 and I imagine I will try it out over the next few months. ProSupps do a great amino product I was using for intra workout... tastes amazing too.

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Anybody ever try the original Razor8 by allmax nutrition?

Greatest preworkout I've ever had.

350mg caffeine
1g beta alanine
5g creatine
40mg 1,3 dimeth
9mg Yohimbine

Tasted awful but unbelievable boost in the gym. I'm pretty stim tolerant too.

Haven't had a preworkout recently that I've liked except one.

Hyde by prosupps is pretty solid and easy on the stomach (some give me a little tummy ache/refux). 400mg caffeine and a pretty decent ratio of creatine, citruline, and beta alanine.
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HYDE is the other one I plan to get... so yes about 10 of them



But it really is in the top 3 and I imagine I will try it out over the next few months. ProSupps do a great amino product I was using for intra workout... tastes amazing too.

Love Mr. Hyde. Definitely one of my favorites. Before that I always ended up going back to C4. I haven't tried as many as you so I really can't compare them to much. Oh and pina colada taste like crap lol. At least the c4 one does.
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HYDE is the other one I plan to get... so yes about 10 of them

But it really is in the top 3 and I imagine I will try it out over the next few months. ProSupps do a great amino product I was using for intra workout... tastes amazing too.
Yea man I was pleasantly surprised when I tried it. Plus I've been getting it on amazon for like 22-24 bucks for the 40 serving off amazing
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haha this is true!!

i might have to try the Nitronox!!!

i should add i have prosupps jekyl- pretty weak IMO

MAN peptibulk is good but i think it gave me stomach bloat, was decent though

species nitrolyze- tastes great, pretty weak over all and insanely priced
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Elvia

haha this is true!!

i might have to try the Nitronox!!!

i should add i have prosupps jekyl- pretty weak IMO

MAN peptibulk is good but i think it gave me stomach bloat, was decent though

species nitrolyze- tastes great, pretty weak over all and insanely priced
HYDE looks 10x better than Jekyl.

I used to work for GSN who do NitroNOX. I just helped them out online. I remember trying it hoping for ther best and it more than delivered. A few guys used it on here and loved it too... I know Kinglewy uses it so he may chime in if he sees this. I still have a $20 off code on anabolicunderground but not even sure if it still works. I don't work for them anymore. Often when guys are or were associated with a brand people think oh really was it the best but genuinely it is. They only paid me for a few months to promote the brand after I had tried it (I wouldn't promote it unless I liked it). I haven't heard a bad review about it ever. They brought out Pina Colada and added one new ingredient (kept the rest the same) ages ago but I haven't used the new formula. If you ever try it let me know how you find it.
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I really like 50mg Viagra and a couple cups black coffee with some eggs & grits!
But when I'm anticipating a tough workout I'll replace the Viagra with a scoop and a half of Outlift
When outlift came out it looked like it was gonna be one of the best pre workouts ever. It definitely didn't live up to it's ingredient list imo. But it is still a great pre workout. Nutrex brought out a newer one but I haven't tried that yet.
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The most crazy pre-workout I've tried recently was Cannibal Ferox by Chaos and Pain. This stuff made me an absolute animal in the gym, but completely drained me the next day.

I'm not a huge fan of pre-workouts due to that reason. Now it's just half a cup of coffee, and some meditation.
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C4's new formula is great.

I hit 2 scoops approximately (300 milligrams of caffeine) before training and I never really build a tolerance to it.
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Anybody ever try the original Razor8 by allmax nutrition?

Greatest preworkout I've ever had.

350mg caffeine
1g beta alanine
5g creatine
40mg 1,3 dimeth
9mg Yohimbine

Tasted awful but unbelievable boost in the gym. I'm pretty stim tolerant too.

Haven't had a preworkout recently that I've liked except one.

Hyde by prosupps is pretty solid and easy on the stomach (some give me a little tummy ache/refux). 400mg caffeine and a pretty decent ratio of creatine, citruline, and beta alanine.
We have since reformulated Razor...thats the old profile

here is the new. Flavors are on point as well. Watermelon legit is like a watermelon jolly rancher

ATP Enhancer / Myofibril Acidification Buffer* 5,425 mg
creatine Monohydrate (Pharma-Grade Micropartculated) 4,000 mg
creatine HCl 1,000 mg
Beta-Alanine (as Carnosyn®) 425 mg

Endothelial Expansion / Hemodynamic Volumizer* 1,835 mg
Arginine HCl 515 mg
Nitrosigine™ (Inositol Stabilized Arginine Silicate) 445 mg
HydroMax™ (65% Glycerol Powder) 385 mg
Agmatine Sulfate (as Agmapure®) 365 mg
Arginine Pyroglutamate 85 mg
Arginine Ethyl-Ester 40 mg

CNS Stimulation / FFA Release / Beta Agonist* 368 mg
Pharma-Grade Synthetic Caffeine 272 mg
Higenamine HCl (Norcoclaurine) 45 mg
Di-Caffeine Malate 24 mg
Hordenine HCl (N,N0DiMethyl0Tyramine HCl) 22 mg
Yohimbine HCl 4.5 mg

Polymethoxylated FFA Reliease Extension/Hyperlytic Acceleration* 15 mg
Yerba Mate Green Tea Standardized Extract 10 mg
Naringin (as Grapefruit Extract) 4.5 mg


Made to be stacked with our pump product H:vol both together is great
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Redline does the trick for me. I can't handle the stims like I used to when I was younger. I only use them once in a great while now.
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