10 million dollar insulin question

[animal eater]

A few things are clear at the moment. Insulin has been and continues to very popular among bodybuilders. It is argued that insulin is the most powerful of hormones. Ok, here are my questions?

1. How many of you have done insulin without GH and if so what were the end results? I think this is a good question because it is almost always assumed these days that the two go hand in hands. Many people either don't have the funds for GH, live in a country where it is hard to come by, and most importantly have a family history of cancer.

2. If you have done insulin without GH, what were your protocols and again, how much actual lean muscle mass do you feel you gained and do you feel that your gains dissipated much like when you stopped using steroids or growth hormone?

 

[ajdos]

Heres my .02 answer, yes done slin a handful of times with AAS only, and my gains were good, but without GH I wasnt able to keep as lean was my sole observation.

 

[animal eater]

Heres my .02 answer, yes done slin a handful of times with AAS only, and my gains were good, but without GH I wasnt able to keep as lean was my sole observation.

One thing that I note and this doesn't necessarily apply to you is most people tend to go a bit hog happy with GH as it allows people to have more leeway in their diets.

What I am curious is if someone is particularly meticulous with diet and use insulin around their training where nutrients tend to be utilized a bit better, why wouldn't they be able to still gain without getting fat if they are on point with their nutrition?

 

[ajdos]

One thing that I note and this doesn't necessarily apply to you is most people tend to go a bit hog happy with GH as it allows people to have more leeway in their diets.

What I am curious is if someone is particularly meticulous with diet and use insulin around their training where nutrients tend to be utilized a bit better, why wouldn't they be able to still gain without getting fat if they are on point with their nutrition?

GH is burning off some fat, so you just have that much less fat burning going on no matter how meticulous you are with diet.
I ate clean every time I did slin, but with GH it was another level of gaining and keeping lean.

 

[animal eater]

Any other experiences?

 

[iintensity]

1. A physiological amount of insulin may be beneficial if your an older trainee. Injecting more insulin does not mean more muscle.

2. GH and insulin are synergetic. There is no set proctool, it depends on your current goals.

 

[heavymetal64]

Don't tuch slin at all anymore.

Had a few trial runs with it and got fat as hell.

Wanting to stay lean in the off season so just running the GH. Very pleased with my results.

I would say it's different for everybody. For me, there's negative than positive.

I don't think there's any real "ten million dollar" answer. Just find what works best for you.

 

[mymre21]

1. A physiological amount of insulin may be beneficial if your an older trainee. Injecting more insulin does not mean more muscle.

I'm going to disagree with this statement due to personal experiences. Why have you come to that conclusion?


As to the OP. I'm in the middle of a bulk and I had to play around with a few different protocols before I was getting the results desired. I take 3 shots a day. I'm just going to leave the dosage out of it. But my gains are through the roof. Of course there is some bloating and a little fat gain but sometimes that just comes with it without doing any gh.

 

[Flex2019]

It can be a very effective tool even without GH if used properly. I have had success using Humulin-R with two different protocols:

1. 2x daily dosing (Palumbo style)
2. Preworkout dosing with an appropriate intraworkout nutrient protocol.

Biggest piece of advice to anybody using insulin: Dose your insulin according to your carbohydrate intake, NOT the other way around. If you take large doses of insulin hoping to gain a lot of muscle, and try to figure your carb intake based on how much insulin you used, YOU WILL GET FAT.

 

[animal eater]

It can be a very effective tool even without GH if used properly. I have had success using Humulin-R with two different protocols:

1. 2x daily dosing (Palumbo style)
2. Preworkout dosing with an appropriate intraworkout nutrient protocol.

Biggest piece of advice to anybody using insulin: Dose your insulin according to your carbohydrate intake, NOT the other way around. If you take large doses of insulin hoping to gain a lot of muscle, and try to figure your carb intake based on how much insulin you used, YOU WILL GET FAT.

Flex, If you look back on those experiences, can you definitively say that you were able to hold on to the gains during that period. I think you are right in about being making sure that insulin should match carbs and not vice versa.

 

[Flex2019]

Flex, If you look back on those experiences, can you definitively say that you were able to hold on to the gains during that period. I think you are right in about being making sure that insulin should match carbs and not vice versa.

Yes I can definitely say that I held onto the gains just fine. I gained 14lbs of clean stage weight between 2010 and 2011 this way. Keep in mind though, I take this stuff very seriously and my nutrition never wavers at any point in the year.

 

[thebigguy84]

I have a buddy that does it he has about 22 inch arms big ole chest about 240lbs fairly lean he does not use gh only test and insulin so it works well.

 

[animal eater]

Insulin seems like another tool in the kit that if used properly can get the job done. If not....watch out.

 

[FutureFreak]

Humalog pre-workout with the typical 3 cocktail drinks causing hyperemia worked great for a 12 lbs gain in 3 weeks.

8-12 iu pre workout was used...

Healthy fats and protein were consumed ALL times of the day EXCEPT when Humalog was in blood as the vitargo or potato starch was used in amounts of 40g for 3 shakes --- 120g total then another food carb meal -- of 50g 1 hr after workout -- then back to fats and protein...

Stayed LEAN no change in BF --- just muscle fullness/cosmetic -- had to discontinue after 3 weeks,

-FF

 

[animal eater]

Humalog pre-workout with the typical 3 cocktail drinks causing hyperemia worked great for a 12 lbs gain in 3 weeks.

8-12 iu pre workout was used...

Healthy fats and protein were consumed ALL times of the day EXCEPT when Humalog was in blood as the vitargo or potato starch was used in amounts of 40g for 3 shakes --- 120g total then another food carb meal -- of 50g 1 hr after workout -- then back to fats and protein...

Stayed LEAN no change in BF --- just muscle fullness/cosmetic -- had to discontinue after 3 weeks,

-FF

Those are pretty impressive gains. Did you feel healthy while following the protocol. I ask because you mention that you discontinued after 3 weeks.

 

[kinglewy]

I am three weeks into an insulin run using humalog pre-workout with the three shakes, basically Mike Arnold style protocol. I am up 11 pounds but I also started a blast at the same time as I started the insulin so it may be a bit early to tell what did what.

One thing I will say is I love the pumps and how they last for a few hours after the workout. My first week of the insulin I only ate carbs while the slin was active, totally avoiding them the rest of the day and actually got leaner like Osiris talks about. I immediately switched that up though the second week and started consuming carbs throughout the day and am noticing better gains.

 

[animal eater]

I am three weeks into an insulin run using humalog pre-workout with the three shakes, basically Mike Arnold style protocol. I am up 11 pounds but I also started a blast at the same time as I started the insulin so it may be a bit early to tell what did what.

One thing I will say is I love the pumps and how they last for a few hours after the workout. My first week of the insulin I only ate carbs while the slin was active, totally avoiding them the rest of the day and actually got leaner like Osiris talks about. I immediately switched that up though the second week and started consuming carbs throughout the day and am noticing better gains.

Thanks for reply kinglewy,

I assume you are using this protocol without GH. Have you noticed any change in strength or recovery that would be any different than using AAS alone?

 

[kinglewy]

Thanks for reply kinglewy,

I assume you are using this protocol without GH. Have you noticed any change in strength or recovery that would be any different than using AAS alone?

I don't know it's too early to tell. I'll report back in eight weeks and let you know.

 

[MrOlympia2020]

A few things are clear at the moment. Insulin has been and continues to very popular among bodybuilders. It is argued that insulin is the most powerful of hormones. Ok, here are my questions?

1. How many of you have done insulin without GH and if so what were the end results? I think this is a good question because it is almost always assumed these days that the two go hand in hands. Many people either don't have the funds for GH, live in a country where it is hard to come by, and most importantly have a family history of cancer.

2. If you have done insulin without GH, what were your protocols and again, how much actual lean muscle mass do you feel you gained and do you feel that your gains dissipated much like when you stopped using steroids or growth hormone?

you will get fat, if your already lean you will get fat. if your already fat you will become obese. insulin is a hormone you will lose everything to your natural limit if you stop usage, with gh insulin creates freaks, insulin is the last piece of the pro bodybuilding puzzle don't take short cuts man you'll fuck yourself don't listen to people who tell you its a good idea cuz theyre bending ya over

 

[MrOlympia2020]

I have a buddy that does it he has about 22 inch arms big ole chest about 240lbs fairly lean he does not use gh only test and insulin so it works well.

And my poodle baked me a birthday cake last night, man please if you have no idea what your talking about please don't give advice test and insulin only 240lbs fairly lean? take test and insulin and you will turn onto a fat piece of shit worst advice I've ever seen